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Message started by joe_meadmaker on Oct 18th, 2020 at 10:54pm

Title: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 18th, 2020 at 10:54pm
I've been wanting to do a follow up to the Ice vs. Shield video, but wasn't sure what to do.  On a recent trip to the grocery store they had a bunch of mini pumpkins, and the idea struck like lightning.  Definitely a more substantial projectile than an ice ball.  As you'll see. :)

https://youtu.be/kYBLG8nT6Qc

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Kick on Oct 19th, 2020 at 5:03am
Really shows how a sling can be deadly even if it's a high arcing shot and all the power comes from just letting the projectile fall. A rock or glande falling that would hurt. A lot.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Mersa on Oct 19th, 2020 at 8:06am
This should be added to the pumpkin challenge, it seems fitting and was enjoyable. I wish they had those pumpkins for sale here I can think of a few ways I could include them in a slinging challenge!! As always great stuff joe!!

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 19th, 2020 at 11:16am
Thanks guys!

I knew the mini pumpkins would hit harder than an ice ball, but it was surprising how much harder.  Most of them weighed 2 to 2.5 times more than the ice balls I normally use.  But they also took a lot more impact to break.  I can't even imagine hundreds or thousands of projectiles flying in at once.  At minimum, completely distracting.  More likely, devastating.

I think a rock or glande in this weight range would be lethal for an unprotected head strike.  Even just with gravity as only the acting force.  I thought about doing this with rocks, but that would require some upgrades.  I would need to pad the back of a shield.  My little leather bracer wouldn't be enough.  (There's a part in the video when I mention getting hit on the hand.  Today there is a slight bruising on that spot and it's a bit tender.)  I think I would also want to get a helmet or some other kind of head protection.

@Mersa - At some point we should do some brainstorming on a fruit/vegetable challenge.  There could probably be some humorous ideas come out of that, even if we don't do them.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Kick on Oct 20th, 2020 at 11:03am
I would suggest full body protection for that. All well and good if your head is protected but that won't help with a shoulder hit...

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 20th, 2020 at 2:49pm
True enough.

That would be an embarrassing hospital visit.  "You see doc, I was slinging a rock at myself and failed to get my shield up in time"  ;D

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Kick on Oct 20th, 2020 at 2:57pm
"You shot yourself with a slingshot?"
*Eye twitches*....
"It's... sling... not slingshot..."

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Jaegoor on Oct 21st, 2020 at 7:54pm
It looks funny.  A little awkward too.  At Reenactor Fight we fired small water bombs.  These have broken through shields.  The fighters were very well armed.  Hitting the helmet almost always resulted in a brief knock-out.  Despite a chain shirt and thick gambeson, hits on the body left large bruises on the skin.  Often you could even recognize individual rings of the chain mesh.  The slingers were very feared after a short time.  At some point depth charges were banned.  😁

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 22nd, 2020 at 10:54am
How were the water bombs made?

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Jaegoor on Oct 22nd, 2020 at 6:35pm
Luftballons mit Wasser füllen. Die Ballons muß man tapen. Sonst platzen sie bereits beim Schuß. Normaler weise platzen sie beim Aufschlag. Für die Fustibal haben wir Ballons mit etwa 250g befüllt. Wir verteidigten eine Burg. Unsere größten Distanzen waren etwa 80bis 100 m. Für die normale sling war das füllgewicht 80 bis 100g. Es gab auch eine schwere artellerie. Ein kleines trebuchet und einen onaker sie verschossen 3 und 5 liter. Diese einschläge waren furchtbar. Es gab einen ritter der von einer normalen sling am helm getroffen wurde. Es gibt ein foto davon. Er ging sofort KO. Es wurde aber erst zwanzig minuten spater bemerkt.

Fill balloons with water.  You have to tape the balloons.  Otherwise they will burst with the shot.  They usually burst on serve.  For the Fustibal we filled balloons with about 250g.  We were defending a castle.  Our greatest distances were around 80 to 100 m.  For the normal sling the filling weight was 80 to 100g.  There was also a heavy artellery.  A small trebuchet and an onaker they shot 3 and 5 liters.  These impacts were terrible.  There was a knight who was hit on his helmet by a normal sling.  There is a photo of it.  He immediately went KO.  It wasn't noticed until twenty minutes later.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Jaegoor on Oct 22nd, 2020 at 6:36pm
:)
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Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 22nd, 2020 at 9:28pm
That looks like so much fun!  :D

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Kick on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 7:59am
Really shows the power of the sling. If that was a rock that guy would be dead.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Jaegoor on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 8:56am
Only the armor saved him from worse.  I experienced some very dangerous situations with the sling.  Once a knight came to me with his squire.  He asked me if I could teach his tight.  So I showed him how to use a sling.  He was a good student.  He should only practice with tennis balls.  Unfortunately he didn't do it.  A few days later he was training alone behind the tent camp on a meadow.  He shot stones at a distance.  One of these stones flew backwards.  In the middle of the camp there was a riding area.  There his knight trained on a horse.  He was armed.  The stone hit this knight on the helmet.  Everyone clearly heard the impact.  The knight fell sideways from his horse.  He stayed there.  Nobody knew what had happened.  The knight wore a padded hood.  A chain hood over it.  And a helmet on it.  That saved his life.  His skull was fractured.  And a fracture in the upper jaw.  His recovery took almost six months.  The helmet had a clear blow.  You should never underestimate the effect of a sling.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Kick on Oct 23rd, 2020 at 9:02am
Woah... Terrifying.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Tigger32 on Oct 28th, 2020 at 12:57am
Seems safer and more challenging to just prop the shield  up and use it as a target haha

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Kick on Oct 28th, 2020 at 4:27am
It would certainly be safer, but, I have to say, I don't think Joe risked his health for nothing. Obviously, Joe slinging pumpkins straight up and catching them on a presumably not 100% historically accurate shield is far from true historical research, BUT I do think his experience is interesting when thinking about how slings were used and would have been encountered. Jaegoor's experiences are perhaps that bit closer to a "real life" scenario but it's interesting hearing from the person being hit.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 28th, 2020 at 8:56am

Tigger32 wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 12:57am:
Seems safer and more challenging to just prop the shield  up and use it as a target haha

No doubt, but I have a pallet for that.  ;)

This activity isn't really about the sling throw and accuracy.  It's about being on the receiving end of that throw.  I did this with ice balls originally, and the mini pumpkins were a big step up in mass.  It's quite impressive to feel the force of the impact, even when gravity is the only force acting on the projectile.  I wish I had a fellow slinger who lived nearby.  I'd love to feel the impact of an ice ball on a shield when the projectile was throw (gently) in an arc toward me rather than straight up in the air.

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Mersa on Oct 28th, 2020 at 9:05am
While drinking one time my friend was very close to letting me throw a rubber ball at his bare chest from close range, he then asked “na seriously what’s the worst that could happen its just like a paintball” I replied “well I’m pretty confident I could break your skin and probably a rib” he quickly retracted his request ;D

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 28th, 2020 at 10:54am
Ha!  That's a smart guy coming to his senses.  :)

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 28th, 2020 at 12:43pm
I was expecting you to prop the shield against the target on the left.

first throw: 'hows' that ever going to hit anything...raises shield over head...wow ! '

My other observation is that if you raised the balearic target so that the diana was at head height - it would be bang on :-)

I presume that's what the rope is for and it's just resting on the ground between pummelings :-)

Excellent video joe ! :thumb:
Looks like real fun. :-)

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by joe_meadmaker on Oct 28th, 2020 at 2:25pm
Thanks CA!  Yeah, my ability to sling straight up in the air is still far from great.  But this time around I was much more consistent than I was the first time with ice.

The balearic target is going to get two changes at some point.  If I stand straight down the hill from it, the diana is probably about mid-torso because of the hill.  The max distance I can get is about 15 m.  I'd like to get it out of the swing-set frame where it's currently mounted, and on to it's own stand.  Then I could put it about 2 feet higher, which should be approximately the correct height.  And about 5 m farther back, so I can practice on it at 20 m.

The rope is actually holding a tire that I've used as a pendulum target, https://youtu.be/Z65CWWAWj7Q.  So with the balearic target where it is, it's also blocking my tire.  :(

Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Tediak on Oct 29th, 2020 at 12:54pm
This is awesome and I am gonna try it with a trash can lid shield and tennis balls in the backyard.


Title: Re: Pumpkin vs. Shield
Post by Curious Aardvark on Oct 29th, 2020 at 4:07pm
one of my slinging party tricks is to sling a tennis ball straight up so that it lands in my hand - without my having to move.
That and two stones in the air at the same time. 

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