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Message started by vetryan15 on Sep 18th, 2020 at 4:57pm

Title: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Sep 18th, 2020 at 4:57pm
I got a new forge. This runs on propane.  I still got the old coal forge, but its a 2 person job. Lol. Untill i get better at it. I haven't done any forge  work since i moved to maine. It felt AMAZING. Now the metal i have are old files, and the ones in the pics are verry old leaf springs from vehicles ( which  2 are still in the woods being reclaimed by nature) and a collapsed cabin we found on my land. The pieces are about 1/4 inch thick, so it takes awhile, but not near as long with coal. But i will be spending alot more time forging knives, and  learning how to do other tools
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Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Kick on Sep 18th, 2020 at 5:32pm
Awesome! I would love to try forging but I already have a million hobbies and projects and absolutely zero space to set up a forge. Maybe one day.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Sep 19th, 2020 at 4:56am
Its such a great hobby. Moving  metal. It actually doesnt take up much room at all. I was doinf it for a few years before my move. Thats been 2 years sinnce i was able to do any kind of work.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Rat Man on Sep 19th, 2020 at 7:13am
A handy skill to have for sure.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Sep 19th, 2020 at 1:43pm
Trying to be self sufficient, plus i can say i am a knife maker  ;D

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Sep 19th, 2020 at 1:59pm
Looking forward to seeing some of your new creations! 

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 19th, 2020 at 7:48pm
I've done some simple forging.  I use charcoal, a blow dryer for an air supply and it's set up in one of the cheap grills from Wally World.  My anvil was made years ago by a friend in a  welding class he took.  It's basically layers of mild steel welded together that were welded to the top of a piece of railroad iron.  My quench tank is a piece of PVC pipe I stood up and filled with the peanut oil left over after we finished cooking turkeys. 

And it is a lot of fun.  Just something primal and manly about beating on red hot steel.   

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Sep 20th, 2020 at 9:09am
Well i got a nice knife design based off of out mountain men and west fur trader time. Unfortunately not much time to do much before it gets too cold for winter. But i will be trying to squeeze in as much forge time as possible. 

@Bill,  i have only ever made knives. But i was working on a diy forge. Then drooped that due to been given a 1907 coal forge. But after alot of practice, i reait was a 2 person job due to the manual blower. Lol. My anvil is 2 pieces of railroad.  One was given to me by my grandfather,  other by a friend in NJ who works for the local rail yard.. i ended up getting both welded together.  I just use roasting pans from Walmart.  My mentor got me into using canola oil, due to. Having to do my temper in the kitchen oven.  I wont get into much trouble due to it smelling like i was baking cookies. After all these years,  my gf hasnt complained about that. I have such a blast doing it. Even though i cant do it for long periods of time, due to old injuries.  But i try to get some done now whenever possible

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Bill Skinner on Sep 20th, 2020 at 1:16pm
Huh, I never thought of how the oil might smell.  And I use my oven, too.  I guess I dodged a bullet I didn't even know was coming.    ;D

My most recent was a recreation of a Tlingit war knife with double ends.   Not one of the ones with a carved hilt or totem on the end, I consider those religious, so I don't try to copy them. 

Anyways, it was pretty basic with a median ridge and a concave belly with a wooden handle wrapped in cord.  I have to get some leather strips, apparently, before fighting, a warrior would use the straps to tie the knife to his hand.

It's not sharp, I plan to use it in classes and demonstrations about the Native Americans and that they did use metal prior to European contact. 

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Sep 21st, 2020 at 9:21am
Hopefully i was able to spare your life.  ;D. It was number 1 rule i learned for knifemaking


I had to research that..  style. Thats impressive.  U should really show it off here when your done

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Curious Aardvark on Sep 22nd, 2020 at 8:13am
well let me know when you're on 'forged in fire' :-)

That looks like the forges they use on the program.
Awesome :-)

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Sep 22nd, 2020 at 1:28pm
I would if i ever get goood enough. Maybe check back in 10years. Lol.

I ended up picking it up off ebay brand new, under $175.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:27am
Here are some progress pics. I am working on some Hudson Bay style knives. These are made from old leaf springs. That were 1/4 inch thick, i hammered thinner by maybe 10%. Not too sure. The overall length is 12in. Handle is 5 inch long. Blade is 7inch long.i have 4 in the works, but 2 are almost done. Other 2are in various stages due to handle material NOT working out in my favor.  ;D lots of blood, sweat and tears went into these. Lighter color handle is Cherry,  daeker is Walnut. Really dark in Ironwood, but had issues with is cracking so those went 'bye bye' and in a mood of frustration,  ALL  of my ironwood turned into firewood in the wood stove >:( lol.  Iam a huge fan of the 1800s to 1880s fur trade movement out west.
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Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:28am
When all finished, and sheaths are made. I will have better pics

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Morphy on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:50am
Once those are all polished up they are going to be purty.  :)

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Kick on Nov 24th, 2020 at 8:28am
Awesome!

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 24th, 2020 at 8:57am

Morphy wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:50am:
Once those are all polished up they are going to be purty. :)

Thanks, if we talked more. I was gonna show em off on the zoom call last night. But i do keep the black scales on the knives, gives character, and you can see the hammer marks that are made.


Thanks Kick

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Morphy on Nov 24th, 2020 at 9:00am

vetryan15 wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 8:57am:

Morphy wrote on Nov 24th, 2020 at 7:50am:
Once those are all polished up they are going to be purty. :)

Thanks, if we talked more. I was gonna show em off on the zoom call last night. But i do keep the black scales on the knives, gives character, and you can see the hammer marks that are made.


Thanks Kick


I would totally buy one from you if the price is right. Dead serious.  ;)

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 24th, 2020 at 9:09am
Wellthese 4 are spoken for, 2 are sold, 1 is a gift. 1 i was gonna keep for myself,  but can part if the price or a trade was good enough. But within this slinging family.  I can always do a trade for a knife for something( slings, bows) i am not sure if i can get around customs to ship international.  Usually these knives i can sell for $150 to $200 each.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Kilisi on Nov 25th, 2020 at 6:47am
Cool knives. Forge isn't something I've ever thought about, but it looks like a cool hobby.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 25th, 2020 at 9:06am

a wrote on Nov 25th, 2020 at 6:47am:
Cool knives. Forge isn't something I've ever thought about, but it looks like a cool hobby.


Thanks,, its such a fascinating hobby, even helps on being an  anger, and frustration outlet. ;D  In the US,  its making a comeback in popularity,  due to a mainstream TV show that is a knife making competition.  Its been going for almost 5 years i believe. 

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by IronGoober on Nov 25th, 2020 at 10:20pm
I loved forging when I was in highschool. I made a half a dozen swords and a couple dozen knives or so. Most weren't very good, but they were really fun to make. I never got into using different types of steels or forge welding though. I wish I had. I still have all of my forging stuff, just no where to do it that is quiet, or wouldn't set everything on fire.  I forge welded 2 pieces of mild steel together to see if it would work, and that is the only forge welding I ever successfully did.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 26th, 2020 at 11:32am
Its such a handy skil to have. I absolutely love it. I am looking at getting into welding so i can startmaking Damascus steel, which is freaking beautiful

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Mersa on Nov 26th, 2020 at 5:11pm
God I get jealous of some of your adventures vet

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 27th, 2020 at 4:16am

Mersa wrote on Nov 26th, 2020 at 5:11pm:
God I get jealous of some of your adventures vet

Thanks.i appreciate it, i tell everyone to get into forging. Its so much fun.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Rat Man on Nov 27th, 2020 at 3:05pm
Good looking knives.  They look indestructible.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Nov 27th, 2020 at 6:37pm

Rat Man wrote on Nov 27th, 2020 at 3:05pm:
Good looking knives. They look indestructible.

Thanks. They are pretty beefy, if they werent sharp, would make great hammers instead lol

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 21st, 2020 at 1:54pm
Here are the finished products of the metal i was forging. These are Hudson Bay style knives. That mountain men towards the Rocky mountains, was most popular style. These are 12 inchs long.  7inch blade, 5 inch handle. Made out of old leaf springs that were found on my property in the woods. Lol. The light wood is Cherrywood. Dark wood is Walnut. 
( which was one of the more popular woods they used. ) i just used natural stain, as i like to make the grain out of the wood POP. last one is dyed leather, with hemp wrapped around it. These are very thick, i  filed in some jimping, which are littles marks on the spine of the blade right before the handle, it acts as you press your thumb on it, as extra grip on the knife. The sheath are dyed,  and made in the style of scout carry on your belt. Its 5 to 7 oz veg tanned leather. With Resolone as a protectant and waterproofing. 2 were supposed to be sold, but i think they might fall through. So after Christmas,  they might be available.  1 is a gift.


I apologize for the butt pic, but that is called scout carry
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Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Dec 21st, 2020 at 2:09pm
Ooh! Keep us posted. I might want to snatch one up if it comes available.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Morphy on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:53pm
Starting the think of a possible trade... hmm  :D

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 21st, 2020 at 3:59pm
I will definitely bekeeping u posted

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 24th, 2020 at 7:06am
UPDATE. it looks like my 2nd buyer bailed out last night. There will be 2 available.  I will know by  this weekend which ones will be available. I will keep it posted.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by IronGoober on Dec 25th, 2020 at 3:16pm
Vet, I'm curious, how did you heat treat the edge? I've tried (1) a full quench, grinding smooth, then putting into the oven to get it to a light yellow color, (2) a full quench then keeping the edge in water while heating the back with a torch and (3) just quenching the edge. I never did too much testing to see what worked the best in terms of retaining the edge hardness. Just wondering if you have.

Edit: This is with using old leaf springs as well.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Dec 26th, 2020 at 9:18am


I had no experience, but was taught by a knife maker, (learned through his mistakes) who became my mentor. He has 25+ years of experience just working in his backyard.  Now i usually just do this with all my knives, no matter the steel. But i tend to just use recycled materials. But i only use cooking oil, but i did all my tempering in the kitchen oven when i lived in NJ.  u need to heat up the oil to roughly 125,  using water, and even cold water is asking for a catastrophic failure within the knife. which i just used some scrape steel to heat it up, and keep a thermometer in it. As you quench it, i tend to move the knife around in the oil for about 30 seconds,  just because of the chance of cooler spots of oil, and there can be small pockets with possibility of popping oil. I like to make the 'harmon' lines, harder edge, softer spine. I usually dip the knife just to cover the edge, to the tang is submerged in oil, then hold it for 30 seconds. I dont mess with torches. You can do mutiple quenches if you are not happy with it. I wouldnt do more then 3 or 4. But i did have a buddy who with bad luck while he was learning. He had to quench a 10 times. Lol. Due to warping. But i believe the knife is still in service. 

Hopefully i was able to help. Its usually easer for me to write out my whole proces. My thought pprocess is pretty out there.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by Curious Aardvark on Jan 21st, 2021 at 7:51am
on a slight tangent - I just discovered (last night) that forged in fore has several sister programs.
watched the first two 'beat the judges' episodes last night.

Might have a look at one of the other spin offs tonight.

FIF is one of my favourite tv programs.

Title: Re: Moving metal
Post by vetryan15 on Jan 21st, 2021 at 8:24am
I seen the one that had the obstacle course with host Bill Goldberg ( wrestler, actor) the knifesmiths had to male a knife at home, then bring it in, and they tested it in a obstacle course. I only seen 2 episodes.  Before i moved. I didn't like it, but i am a fan of Goldberg

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