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Message started by Jauke on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:05pm

Title: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Jauke on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:05pm
Mine is the blowgun. I've always liked how simple and effective a blowgun is.
I consider it the ideal small game primitive weapon. Sharpened broadhead darts can also take larger game if aimed correctly. Like all primitive weapons, it requires skill, but not nearly as much as the sling.
Also, it shines where the sling does not, in forest and bush. A good blowgun can also function as your walking cane. It is the ideal second carry for a slinger.

Of course, the blowgun is a primitive weapon but the material mine is made out of isn't.  But not so relevant to me personally.

What is your favorite primitive weapon after the sling ? (Or your favorite if the sling is second )




Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by walter on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:26pm
self bows 35 - 45lbs no riser. Fun to make and shoot :)

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Mersa on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:45pm
Gotta be a bow. Nothing like a good stalk with a bow.

What are you hunting with a blow gun?
Poisonous darts?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:49pm
Also a bow. D/R longbow or just regular D bow both are good. Laminated birch arrows
or shoots if I’m going more primitive.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Jauke on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:19pm

Mersa wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:45pm:
Gotta be a bow. Nothing like a good stalk with a bow.

What are you hunting with a blow gun?
Poisonous darts?


I am not allowed to say that I hunt or what I hunt as it is illegal to hunt here with primitive weapons.

But I can say that blowguns in general are very effective for all kinds of bird, fowl, squirrels, frogs etc. No poison needed, broad heads will make short work.

Blowguns can also be used for big game even without poison if the shot placement is right (lungs/heart) research Tim Wells. He killed all kinds of large game (black bear, hogs) with a blowgun and broadhead darts.  It's on YouTube

The reason I did not pick a bow is because it's overkill for the game that is accessible here, except for the rare opportunity to hit a deer. That's it.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Mersa on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:20pm
I must say that although it might be effective enough on large game i would never take a shot with a blow gun on critters like a hog or bear(not that we have bears in Australia).
Hogs in Australia seem like a different animal and I honestly can’t see a big boar even being phased buy a blow gun, many people say that traditional bows are even underpowered.
A sharp broadhead makes up for a lot but what type of speed , KE and momentum are blowguns capable of????

I know of Tim but personally I think he’s pretty rough when it comes to hunting. Lots of his kills are not very quick and pretty messy. I’m all in for leveling the playing field and using primitive weaponry but I like to think that we can be a little bit ethical. I’ve also heard Rumours that some of his hunts are staged and the animals are drugged.

I take it you have the cold steel blowgun?

For squirrels, birds etc I think it could be a good weapon but I’d want a rather large quiver of darts can’t see recovery of darts in thick scrub.

Hunting is interesting enough that even the same species can vary in their difficulty just due to the environment and whether or not they’re hunted.

Kangaroos on the property I hunt on will let you get within 20m most of the time unphased until the pro shooter comes and starts fireing bullets then your lucky to get within 200m for the next 2 months .

Rabbits are tough as as well. seen paralysed rabbit shot with a .22 get away with only its front legs, you’d want clean heart shots with a blow gun.

EDIT:
A quick look at blowgun information online seems pretty interesting. Speeds in excess of 150fps mussel velocity with light projectiles and projectile weights up to around 50 grains for “hunting” darts.
Best attribute is the ability to be almost still and silent. Definitely a good hunting tool but I still wouldn’t use it on medium or large game personally (unless in an absolute survival situation). But you have got me intrigued. Definitely turns into a super scary deadly weapon with the addition of poison.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on Apr 19th, 2020 at 8:12pm
The only time I tried to hunt rabbits with a blow gun it did not go well. I have seen people hunt rabbits after dipping the darts in rattlesnake venom and that dispatched them super quick. I wonder if the meat was still edible after its cooked? I bet with a healthy dose of poison and a legit survival setting a blowgun would be an effective weapon for deer and what not. Even if it just knocked them down you could finish them pretty quick.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Apr 20th, 2020 at 2:42am
Staff sling...


  ;D

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by vetryan15 on Apr 20th, 2020 at 5:32am
Atlatl. Surprised no one said it yet

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by JudoP on Apr 20th, 2020 at 9:28am
Probably just a club... There's something about that simplicity.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Apr 20th, 2020 at 9:31am

vetryan15 wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 5:32am:
Atlatl. Surprised no one said it yet


The one thing that's held me back from getting into using an atlatl is making the darts. Long straight pieces of wood aren't so easy to find unless I just go buy some bamboo poles. I will eventually get around to them I think :D


JudoP wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 9:28am:
Probably just a club... There's something about that simplicity.


This reminded me of the rabbit stick/throwing stick/kylie. I've been wanting to make my own and they really intrigue me.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by vetryan15 on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:01am
But you can always straighten pieces by hand, and other methods.

This site has a ton of information about the atlatl.

http://www.thudscave.com/npaa/index.htm

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:47am

vetryan15 wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:01am:
But you can always straighten pieces by hand, and other methods.

This site has a ton of information about the atlatl.

http://www.thudscave.com/npaa/index.htm


True, but it's extra work and effort and a bit of trial and error. If it wasn't expensive and difficult to get to Finland, I would love to buy a set of darts.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by vetryan15 on Apr 20th, 2020 at 11:37am

Kick wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:47am:

vetryan15 wrote on Apr 20th, 2020 at 10:01am:
But you can always straighten pieces by hand, and other methods.

This site has a ton of information about the atlatl.

http://www.thudscave.com/npaa/index.htm


True, but it's extra work and effort and a bit of trial and error. If it wasn't expensive and difficult to get to Finland, I would love to buy a set of darts.

Thats the fun part, i picked up a book on how to make basket maker type atlatl, just because i love holding onto a physical book instead of looking online. I understand i have access to a ton of private land that i can collect from. One day i shall have some time to attempt it. But i do own an atlatl set with 3 darts.  From thunderatlatl i belive i picked it up from Amazon as well, a few years back

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Jauke on Apr 20th, 2020 at 3:38pm
I don't have one of the cold steel blowguns. I would like one but find it hard to justify the 70 euro's they cost here to buy one, when I can make one myself and mod it to my likings for free using scrap. My main blowgun is made out of PVC tubing, ducttaped to a broomstick to keep it straight. It's about 160 cm  / 5 feet something long.  PVC is great because it's really smooth.

I've also tried electrical conduit but the ones I had available head a welding seam in the inside which caused too much drag. A clean 1/2 inch copper wipe could work.

For simple target practice darts I use nails with paper/ducttape cones attached to them. I've also had good succes with cork cones, although they take more work to refine. For hunting purposes it's better to use metal skewers/rods or whatever you have accessible, preferably a bit soft so you can flatten the head and sharpen it into a broad head. 

Making darts for a blowgun is much easier than making arrows for a bow

I like it also because it trains my lungs and I have a very decent lung capacity.

You could make a primitive blowgun with bamboo. Split it perfectly through the middle, remove the pit and smoothen it out, lash and glue the two halves back together and add a mouthpiece.  But it won't be as good as a PVC or metal pipe one.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by ghost0311-8541 on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:06pm
https://youtu.be/m9xtp4MCdJA

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by ghost0311-8541 on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:11pm
Bow

https://youtu.be/FbLyCbQlEiU

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by ghost0311-8541 on Apr 27th, 2020 at 11:19pm
https://youtu.be/ZLbWiDET2V4

Slingshots

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Curious Aardvark on Apr 28th, 2020 at 10:24am
staff/long cudgel

What can I say I'm a blunt force kind of person :-)

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Rat Man on Apr 28th, 2020 at 9:32pm
   If a slingshot can be considered a primitive weapon then that's my choice.  Though only good for small game, it's very easy to use.  It takes only one session to learn to be accurate with a slingshot. 
    If you don't consider a slingshot a primitive weapon my next choice is the atlatl. 

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Jauke on May 14th, 2020 at 1:47pm
Well I kinda changed my mind. I now consider the sling, bow and atlatl to be pretty much the holy trinity of primitive ranged weapons. Although I still like the blowgun for what it is, I want to make one out of traditional materials and see how well it works.

My family used to have perfect bamboo for it in our garden when I was a kid but my father removed it all when I was a kid too, too bad.

(although one can never fully remove bamboo, I bet if no one took care of our garden, within 5 years it'd be full of bamboo again). 

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 14th, 2020 at 2:55pm
well as gut isn't very suitable for making slingshots - although I have seen one made with torsion bars and gut instead of rubber - and rubber bands are a fairly new invention. I'd have to say that slingshots are not primitive weapons.

You can have a stone bow :-)
Those are fairly old.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by NooneOfConsequence on May 15th, 2020 at 1:38am
Definitely the meteor hammer
Close second is the wooden club/staff ... specifically the shillelagh if I had to choose only one type.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on May 15th, 2020 at 10:30am
@Jauke- The Holy Trinity of primitive weapons. Yep, couldn’t agree more. The atlatl is a weird weapon. It is so incredibly simple to make yet hits like a truck. Definitely belongs at the top of the list.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Jauke on May 16th, 2020 at 4:33pm

Morphy wrote on May 15th, 2020 at 10:30am:
@Jauke- The Holy Trinity of primitive weapons. Yep, couldn’t agree more. The atlatl is a weird weapon. It is so incredibly simple to make yet hits like a truck. Definitely belongs at the top of the list.


I read somewhere once, the atlatl/spearthrower was the ak47 of the stone age. Used by everyone around the world, simple and easy to make, very effective, hits hard.

The M16 of the stone age would be the bow. More precise, accurate and easy to use, a smaller caliber than the atlatl, but requires more maintenance and expertise to craft

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by duckdiver on May 22nd, 2020 at 9:16pm
I have a lot of fun with bolos.  Easy to make from junk like old spark plugs, fishing weights, handy cord to start.

Mine range from 1-3 feet, sized and weighted to simulate the critters i’m pretending to catch when I play with them ranging from mice to wild hogs.

Lots of good clips on this site to see bolos in action and ways to make them, but I prefer 3 cords with similar weights and tied with a fat knot. Monofilament lines are sketchy to use as you can’t trust them not to brake without frequent close inspections for nicks.
Everybody loves fancy knots but the regular overhand knot works fine. Let weights hang evenly and take time to work out the cord length issues, sometimes sticking a fid or pencil can help keep knot loose while you make adjustments.
Some folks use washers at the knot but I don’t like the balance and they can get nicked and stick you.
After you make your bolo and want to start playing, consider rewatching the clips again first, with a cautionary mindset to the potential for unintended consequences.

The two basic throws I use are;

1. Twirl weights around by holding the knot and let go. 
Flys like a rock on a string, only in a bunch, with force per speed and weight. Speed is close to what you get from slings, and a lot faster and harder than I can throw by hand.

2. As above but hold a weight in hand with the knot, twirl and THROW at target, Little tricker than 1 to get hang of release.  Letting the front weights pull the hand weight works also, causing the bolo to spin sooner and a little slower with less distance.
Bolo flys  with the cool looking bolo twirl. Much slower speed than 1 but gives lots of entanglement at contact. Damage from weights comes from the speed they get wrapping around target more than the speed of the throw, and can be surprising.

Three of my favorites that sort of cover the range are the rat, spark plugs, and balls.

12” Rat Bolo   Tie 3 ,1-2 oz fishing weights to 3 individual cords of braided fishing line or lines from para cord cores. 
Works best for rats with first style, does’t usually kill them, buts stuns them long enough to get them and finish them off.

3’ Spark plug Bolo. Tie 3 or 4 cords with reinforced slip knot around plug body after knocking off ceramics with a hammer. Don’t trust using closing the gap for a handy loop. 
Basic all purpose bolo for both styles.  I use weights up to 3 oz and paracord sheath with cores removed.   
Fun at night when walking or jogging on asphalt streets with first style as the weights spark as they bounce and skitter down the street. Older plugs with lots of iron content spark best.

3’-5’  Ball Bolo  Poke 2 small holes in opposite end of 3-4 tennis balls, poke cord thru holes and tie a couple fat knot knots so cord won’t pull out easily. Be cautious when throwing at friends, balls can really hurt when they smack you at wrap speeds.








Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on May 23rd, 2020 at 4:42am
This red paracord bolas is the best one I've made. Flies really well.

The green paracord bolas has only the two weights and is thinner and is super fun and easy to use. Wraps surprisingly well considering it only has the two weights. Both of them hit surprisingly hard as well.
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Post by vetryan15 on May 23rd, 2020 at 10:21am
I remember seeing a bolo i would love to replicate eventually.  It was 3 pieces of  paracord,  using 3 1inch steel ball bearings, the ball bearings were wrapped in a monkeys fist with the paracord to 1 knot to hold onto.


I lost pictures years ago of some Inut bolas from Alaska,  that were found in the first decade of 1900s. One was wood or antler carved, with natural fibers. 3 pieces.  The other was 9 piece bird bolo with leather cordsge, and wolf teeth.
Both were amazing to see at a museum. From a behind the scenes tour from the curator when i donated some slings i made for thier education department.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Frondeur on May 24th, 2020 at 5:01am
Hard choice for me, but I think I'd start with a good old pointy stick. I would add the atlatl later.

The main factor driving my choice is low tech and availability.

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Post by vetryan15 on May 24th, 2020 at 7:09am
http://www.thudscave.com/npaa/index.htm

If anyone is interested,  this site i spend a ton of time on. Its one of the most popular sites dedicated to the atlatl

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by TOMBELAINE on Jan 7th, 2021 at 2:34pm
After the sling, blowgun is my favorite primitive weapon.
I have a copper tube (1 meter), for fun in my underground.
It's precise at 10 meters.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Oxnate on Jan 7th, 2021 at 7:03pm
Spear. 

A walking stick is pretty innocuous.  Cold Steel makes a hollow handled knife that turns a walking stick into a spear super quick.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BD4W3ZM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 8th, 2021 at 8:30am
The bola.
Because it is the only other primitive weapon I have recently used and become quite proficient at. And it is fun and different from most other weapons.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Jan 8th, 2021 at 2:31pm
Bolas are super fun. Also easy to carry around, especially the single cord bolas. I have one with a large hex nut on one end and a large washer on the other. Wraps really well and fits in a pocket like it's not even there.
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Post by NooneOfConsequence on Jan 8th, 2021 at 4:05pm

Oxnate wrote on Jan 7th, 2021 at 7:03pm:
Spear. 

A walking stick is pretty innocuous.  Cold Steel makes a hollow handled knife that turns a walking stick into a spear super quick.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BD4W3ZM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1


I have a Bushman, and I absolutely love that knife.  If I'm going to be out in the weeds, I carry it on my belt with a 6" handle extension.  The extra length makes it work like a machete.  The back side of the carbon steel blade also doubles as a firestarter in my neck of the woods where there's usually some good quality flint/chert lying around on the ground. 

I think it would make an ok spear, but maybe I'll just have to try it :)

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 8th, 2021 at 5:19pm
COOL! I've been meaning to make such a thing for months now... Especially, as you say, it is so simple and easy to transport. Almost like a sling.
Is there any point in the one weight being lighter than the other?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Jan 9th, 2021 at 9:58am
I haven't actually done many tests but I've found holding the lighter washer and spinning the hex nut gives a good release and spins well. I should do more videos on the bolas I have. It's not so easy at the moment because it's freezing cold and there's a lot of snow out there.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by MarianoV123 on Jan 11th, 2021 at 11:20am
I think my favorite also has to be the Boleadoras, mostly because of the way it flies through the air before hitting something. Mine are made of three wooden balls with steel hooks screwed into them, all connected with sisal rope.
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Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 11th, 2021 at 12:22pm
I like its "rough" look. Wood and sisal is a great combo.

My bolas are one of four bolts, and one with three tennis balls. The bolt one doesn't stay put very well around the things it wraps and I think it is because the bolts don't get easily entangled in each other like a sphere.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by MarianoV123 on Jan 11th, 2021 at 1:29pm

Slyngorm wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 12:22pm:
I think it is because the bolts don't get easily entangled in each other like a sphere.
That could be an advantage though, it takes me a while to get the boleadoras ready to throw again cause its like untying a knot

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 11th, 2021 at 4:47pm
My only problem with the bola is that I can't get it to spread all of its balls out.
The balls spin in two clusters. The one I held in my hand during the wind up and all the other together. It doesn't look like a bola in cartoons.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by MarianoV123 on Jan 11th, 2021 at 6:31pm

Slyngorm wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 4:47pm:
The balls spin in two clusters. The one I held in my hand during the wind up and all the other together. It doesn't look like a bola in cartoons.

That might be because of the way you throw it. Gauchos in videos I've watched start by holding two of the weights, releasing one and them and then throwing them at the target. This way all of the balls are spinning at different speeds and you get a wide spread. I've only seen this done with 3 weighted boleadoras but I'd assume the same could be done with a 4 weighted one by just holding three and releasing them at different times. It might take a lot of getting used to though.

This video is kind of what I am talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWYNCEL64qQ
If you know Spanish its also a good explanation about the origin of the name Tres Marias. The actual throwing starts at the 1 minute and 40 seconds mark.

I normally throw mine a bit sooner than he does so the weights don't bunch up as much, but even after waiting for the two balls to make contact the spread is still pretty wide.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Jan 12th, 2021 at 12:02pm
This is a really good video on the boleadoras and has a really cool tip for carrying one across your shoulders. I can say though that it does't work if you're wearing a big coat.

https://youtu.be/R9OdmGngoVc

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 15th, 2021 at 8:01am

MirkoSling wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 6:31pm:
start by holding two of the weights, releasing one and them and then throwing them at the target.

Wow, this is more complicated than I thought it was but thanks for the tip!

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 15th, 2021 at 8:01am

MirkoSling wrote on Jan 11th, 2021 at 1:29pm:
That could be an advantage though, it takes me a while to get the boleadoras ready to throw again cause its like untying a knot

That doesn't even apply  :P. To me they seem to tangle more and wrap less.
Worst of both worlds.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by MikeG on May 3rd, 2021 at 9:08am
Staffsling. Why has nobody said that?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by quentonium on May 4th, 2021 at 6:27am
Blowgun

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on May 4th, 2021 at 8:30am

MikeG wrote on May 3rd, 2021 at 9:08am:
Staffsling. Why has nobody said that?

Check the first page :D

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 4th, 2021 at 9:37am
The other weapon I have the most experience with is the bow.  So that would be near the top of my list.  But for my favorite I might go with bolas, even though I've never used one to date.  Love watching videos of them.  Some experimentation with bolas is definitely something I have to make sure I do this summer.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on May 4th, 2021 at 11:59am
Bow of course would be my second but throwing sticks are awesome. I also have to admit staff slings could be really awesome deer killers so long as it was quartering away.

Especially Albion Slingers take on it which was wickedly powerful. Really the best primitive weapon though is the one most likely to work so I guess that means a holy noodle and enchanted quartz rocks.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Hirtius on May 4th, 2021 at 2:12pm
I have a bow and an atlatl, and I gotta go with the atlatl. The bow is probably more practical in most cases, but the atlatl is more fun. I guess throwing stuff is more familiar.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on May 4th, 2021 at 2:42pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 4th, 2021 at 9:37am:
Some experimentation with bolas is definitely something I have to make sure I do this summer.

I'm going to make a request for an ice bolas now :D Should be doable though perhaps not all that reusable...

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 4th, 2021 at 3:24pm

Kick wrote on May 4th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 4th, 2021 at 9:37am:
Some experimentation with bolas is definitely something I have to make sure I do this summer.

I'm going to make a request for an ice bolas now :D Should be doable though perhaps not all that reusable...

:o  YES!!!

Great idea!  That could be a fun contest too.  A point for each ice ball you break when the bolas wrap around the target.

But yeah.  Pretty much a one throw weapon most likely.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Blue Raja on May 4th, 2021 at 4:06pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on May 14th, 2020 at 2:55pm:
well as gut isn't very suitable for making slingshots - although I have seen one made with torsion bars and gut instead of rubber - and rubber bands are a fairly new invention. I'd have to say that slingshots are not primitive weapons.

You can have a stone bow :-)
Those are fairly old.
'

Running the grave risk of boring everyone with a history lesson, CA is correct.  Slingshots rely on Vulcanized rubber, which was invented in 1839.  Rubber bands were invented in 1845.  Hodges catapult gun was designed in 1849.  The first commercially produced slingshot (the Zip-Zip) was offered in 1918.  The first mass marketed wrist rocket was 1953 (Saunders Archery - which continues to offer some modern takes on this vintage design).

The slingshot was invented centuries after gunpowder and centuries after airguns were invented.  To put his in perspective, the steam engine was invented in 1698, the oldest known photograph is from 1826 or 1827, the telegraph was developed in the 1830’s, and the fax machine (which relies on telegraph technology and not telephone technology) was invented in 1843.

Slingshots are human powered, a common trait with the primitive weapons discussed here.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on May 5th, 2021 at 3:41pm
Slingshots aren’t primitive? Oh, you’ll see. Soon enough.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on May 5th, 2021 at 9:20pm

Slyngorm wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 3:41pm:
Slingshots aren’t primitive? Oh, you’ll see. Soon enough.

My curiosity is piqued.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on May 6th, 2021 at 7:52am

joe_meadmaker wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 9:20pm:

Slyngorm wrote on May 5th, 2021 at 3:41pm:
Slingshots aren’t primitive? Oh, you’ll see. Soon enough.

My curiosity is piqued.


Likewise. Slyngorm is one of the most dedicated primitive weapons researchers we have here. If he says it, it definitely makes me wonder.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Slyngorm on May 6th, 2021 at 11:44am
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by walter on May 6th, 2021 at 8:52pm
Love slings, but love bows and throwing sticks more  :-?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 7th, 2021 at 7:42am
A really nicely shaped club :-)

And you don't get much more primitive that that.
Well unless you've got a femur bone from a pretty large beast.

I don't have one :-(

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by NooneOfConsequence on May 14th, 2021 at 2:00pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on May 7th, 2021 at 7:42am:
A really nicely shaped club :-)

And you don't get much more primitive that that.
Well unless you've got a femur bone from a pretty large beast.

I don't have one :-(


I hear a donkey jawbone works well too!

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Curious Aardvark on May 16th, 2021 at 1:08pm
for a short club - but you wouldn't get the length.

I like around 3 feet for a club and 6 for a staff.

I reckon something like a moose femur, would work well :-)

Alas clean moose skeletons can not be foudn in central english woods.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Lightning Jack on Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:12am
Boomerang (the non returning kind)

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 12th, 2021 at 9:13pm
Is there a characteristic that distinguishes a non returning boomerang and a throwing stick?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by LKH9 on Jun 12th, 2021 at 11:54pm
The sling is never my most favourite weapon, too difficult and extremely risky to use! Has a 40% to hit nearby properties, cameras and people! At least for me! But if it does hit, it's JAW DROPPING AWESOME!

Most favourite will be blowgun and bow and arrows. Is rubber slingshot even considered primitive??

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Lightning Jack on Jun 13th, 2021 at 1:09am

joe_meadmaker wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 9:13pm:
Is there a characteristic that distinguishes a non returning boomerang and a throwing stick?


Well a throwing stick could be any stick that you find on the ground, a non returning boomerang is shaped in such a way to fly further than a throwing stick like this one:
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Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on Jun 13th, 2021 at 8:16am
The blowgun is great for accuracy but sucks in my experience in lethality. If there was a poison in my area that deactivated with heat then it would be amazing.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 13th, 2021 at 10:45am
@Lightning Jack - I understand.  When I hear the term "throwing stick", I tend to think of something that has been shaped to fly well as opposed to just any old stick that you might find on the ground.  But I'm with you, a really great weapon.

Haven't yet, but someday I'm going to get a couple from these guys: https://www.throwsticks.com/.  I figure two would be better so there isn't a long walk between each throw.  :D

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Jun 13th, 2021 at 11:16am
I've come very close multiple times to buying one of the those Throwsticks. They just look so pretty, tough as nails and seem to work really well. Damn... Now I'm wanting to get one again...

The Kimberly Stinger calls to me...

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on Jun 15th, 2021 at 11:34am

Kick wrote on Jun 13th, 2021 at 11:16am:
I've come very close multiple times to buying one of the those Throwsticks. They just look so pretty, tough as nails and seem to work really well. Damn... Now I'm wanting to get one again...

The Kimberly Stinger calls to me...


Im not going to lie, some people have been saying you and Joe dont have it in you to buy one.

Tell yourself or SO the situation is beyond you now, you have no choice but to get one. Then start a rumor about me so I also have to get one.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Jun 15th, 2021 at 12:06pm
Damn you Morphy... it's over 100€ with shipping... I'm physically in pain but I will hold off still. Just...

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on Jun 15th, 2021 at 2:02pm
Man had no idea they went for that much but assuming the Poly is as strong as it seems I could see that. Lol you see how quickly I start to justify it?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm
So I've got it pretty much narrowed down to  the Wirlki or the Karli.  I like the look of the Wirlki a lot, but it's quite a bit more expensive.  Which would you get?

Oh yeah, I think I saw a post from vetryan15 in the Administrative board saying Morphy wouldn't be any good with a throw stick, so there's no point in him getting one.  The post appears to have been deleted though.  ;)

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Morphy on Jun 15th, 2021 at 7:31pm

joe_meadmaker wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 4:34pm:
Which would you get?

Oh yeah, I think I saw a post from vetryan15 in the Administrative board saying Morphy wouldn't be any good with a throw stick, so there's no point in him getting one.  The post appears to have been deleted though.  ;)


Two things- First to your last point. That is SO much like what I could see Vet saying that my dumb ass actually went back and looked to see if any posts were deleted. LOL You got me good on that one Joe lol!!!  Forgot I said start a rumor haha.

Secondly why are you asking which one? The answer is obvious and right in front of you. Get both of course! :)

Seriously though, what are you planning on using it for? I know for me I would probably get a mid-large one. Basically the best all around hunting one. Kylies are amazing hunting weapons.  I hate to say it but for the vast majority of us they put slings to shame it terms of making meat.

It all comes down to durability. I prefer natural materials but knowing just how difficult it is to make a good kylie from really hard wood and hand tools (and how easily they can break) its actually the polycarb itself that is the main selling point.

How about you each get one and tell us all which is the best one to get?

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jun 15th, 2021 at 7:59pm

Morphy wrote on Jun 15th, 2021 at 7:31pm:
That is SO much like what I could see Vet saying that my dumb ass actually went back and looked to see if any posts were deleted.

I was on the floor after reading that.  ;D


But on the throw stick, intended use would be nothing in particular.  It would probably come with me to disc golf courses because there's lots of open area to throw.  After getting the hang of it, I might try some target throwing.

I would like a natural material one as well.  I would like to try making one but have concerns that if I throw badly I won't be able to tell if I'm bad (very possible) or if the throw stick is bad (also very possible).  I tried to make a boomerang once and it didn't work at all.  But if I have a good stick that will definitely fly well when thrown well, I could practice and eventually try to copy it.

Yeah, maybe one of each.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Jun 16th, 2021 at 1:21pm
I'm less interested in the longer range ones just because the longer it flies, the more likely it is to hit someone :D Also, this is Finland. Finland is known for two things, lakes and forests. I wouldn't want to hit either so a shorter range one would suit better.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Jabames on Aug 27th, 2021 at 7:32pm
Atlatl, we still use it on the lower Yukon river for seals or beaver farther upriver. I learned to use them from my mother's side of the family and learned how to make them by observing atlatls. Though havent used one for a long while, but about 2 years ago I taught the neighbor's kid how to use one, pretty cool.
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Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by vetryan15 on Aug 28th, 2021 at 5:06pm
I absolutely love atlatls. There is a guy on YouTube from Florida called HuntPrimative. He uses an atlatl with stone tips for hunting. He usually records his hunts with his bows and atlatl. And stone tipped darts and arrows. He did a small documentary about hunting with it on a buffalo.  It was awesome stuff.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by CrazyBrave333 on Sep 1st, 2021 at 7:53pm
For me its gotta be the goedendag... its like a short spear and a club had a baby...

Absolutely amazing - I love the idea you can pretty much just use bayonet techniques and you have a very formidable weapon... plus the notion of saying 'good day!' as someone gets whacked is just adding insult to injury!

Mad video on them here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh5YclJBnDc&t=72s


Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Kick on Sep 5th, 2021 at 1:36pm

CrazyBrave333 wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 7:53pm:
For me its gotta be the goedendag... its like a short spear and a club had a baby...

Absolutely amazing - I love the idea you can pretty much just use bayonet techniques and you have a very formidable weapon... plus the notion of saying 'good day!' as someone gets whacked is just adding insult to injury!

Mad video on them here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh5YclJBnDc&t=72s

Now that's a good choice! I also really love the Goedendag. Perfect zombie defence weapon :D

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by Rat Man on Sep 16th, 2021 at 12:25pm

CrazyBrave333 wrote on Sep 1st, 2021 at 7:53pm:
For me its gotta be the goedendag... its like a short spear and a club had a baby...

Absolutely amazing - I love the idea you can pretty much just use bayonet techniques and you have a very formidable weapon... plus the notion of saying 'good day!' as someone gets whacked is just adding insult to injury!

Mad video on them here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh5YclJBnDc&t=72s


Awesome weapon.  I'd feel very confident with that in my hands.

Title: Re: Your favorite primitive weapon after the sling?
Post by StaffSlinger on Sep 16th, 2021 at 6:12pm
Ranged weapon -- Scythian bow
Assegai
Dagger-Axe
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