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Message started by Sarosh on Sep 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm

Title: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Sep 12th, 2019 at 4:56pm
https://youtu.be/oF6M82Qi81c
Finally :P

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by TheJackinati on Sep 12th, 2019 at 5:47pm
Now how far can you throw them!? That's the important bit!

Nothing better than skewered Hastati for dinner.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Sep 12th, 2019 at 11:05pm
Nicely done Sarosh!  Simple and effective.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Sep 13th, 2019 at 2:02am
Thanks!

@ TheJackinati

I haven't tested max range yet, I don't have the right place to do it.
I'd guess the last dart would reach 100m .
the longer the range you are aiming to hit the shorter the fins you can use=>more time to align & less drag.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Kick on Sep 13th, 2019 at 2:35am
This is really genius. I'm going to be adapting my darts and getting back out there :D

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Morphy on Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:26am
Ingenious indeed. The reload mechanism is smooth and fast. I like it a lot.

Little off subject but mind if I ask what program and hardware you use to edit your videos? It's very well done.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Rat Man on Sep 13th, 2019 at 4:19pm
Excellent video. Top shelf!

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Sep 14th, 2019 at 10:59am
thanks guys :)


Morphy wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:26am:
Little off subject but mind if I ask what program and hardware you use to edit your videos?


software: I cannot give a straight answer to that. Nooc also had asked and if i remember correct I told him "the best" 
https://www.pcmag.com/roundup/291335/the-best-video-editing-software

hardware: dell laptop , my first, a desktop would be much better for the job
processor: intel i5-7200u @ 2.5GHz 2.7ghz when exporting the video goes to 3Ghz for several minutes or hours depending on the video...
8GB ram
dedicated GPU Radeon R7 M445, I was very disappointed when i realised it's almost useless for editing I should have bought an i7 instead of a dedicated gpu.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Morphy on Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:28pm
Thanks Sarosh. I'm seriously leaning to a Surface Pro 6 and based on what I saw yesterday it can edit videos. The fact that you are without a (decent) dedicated gpu gives me hope that it will be fine as well. Good stuff by the way. Always enjoy your videos.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:47pm
@ Morphy

if you are planning to do a lot of editing I would suggest a desktop for better specs at the same price.
And a big screen(like a TV) will be very helpful if you want to edit a video like the long range videos i've made, it's very difficult to make out the falling stones in a 15,6" screen.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Sep 15th, 2019 at 12:51am
@Morphy, for editing I really like the video editing mode in Blender. It’s 100% free but still functions similar to Final Cut or Adobe Premiere.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Morphy on Sep 15th, 2019 at 3:33am
Thanks guys I hear LumaFusion is also very good.

I'm fairly certain at this point that Sarosh is using top secret video editing software usually reserved for Area 51 employees. The accent is also a clever disguise. His real name is Bob and he's originally from Jersey.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Sep 15th, 2019 at 4:53am
we use the doubleplusgood software in Minitrue, record department to correct old news.  ;)

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:11am
Obviously all this talk of “software” is a clever distraction to protect his film splicing secrets.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Morphy on Sep 16th, 2019 at 11:57am
I think I found his secret. :D



Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by funditor on Sep 16th, 2019 at 3:12pm
What would you think if the hook is slightly before the center if weight?
A friend of mine showed me a such device years ago
A short stick with a short rope attached with a small loop at the end
This loop goes in a hook that is mounted direction towards the back end od the dart, but is mounted before the center of weight.
Thus the dart has already the right orientation while swinging, and releases itself from the loop. This could for sure be done with your sling design also... It could aid in precision compared to the loop.
I will look for the dart for making a pic to support my explanations

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Sep 16th, 2019 at 4:16pm

funditor wrote on Sep 16th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
I will look for the dart for making a pic to support my explanations

I'll wait for the picture because I don't think I understood the design.

the best design would be If we could somehow throw the dart with spin and right orientation upon release, then we could shorten the fins and lower the (immense) initial drag experienced just after release and also drag during flight, and the dart wouldn't fishtail so you could possibly sling them from point blank range and always hit point first. the kestros in the video stabilised adequately at around 20m.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by timpa on Sep 17th, 2019 at 8:15pm
Good fly!

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by perpetualstudent on Oct 7th, 2019 at 2:43pm
Very high quality video. Interesting release mechanism. I like it. A lot.


Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Jan 14th, 2021 at 4:04pm
https://youtu.be/Z9gGK1hchB8
got a welder fixed the dart  :)

now I need to make more, it's boring to walk the distance after every single shot.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by joe_meadmaker on Jan 14th, 2021 at 11:09pm
Nice!  I like that hit right through the root at 2:40. :thumb:

Completely agreed with needing more than one.  When you have to chase the projectile every time, it's really hard to get into any kind of rhythm.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Kick on Jan 15th, 2021 at 3:47am
I really need to have another go at the kestros. The "darts" I made are far too thick and heavy.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Slyngorm on Jan 15th, 2021 at 4:32am
Has any professional historian taken note of your reconstruction?

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Jan 15th, 2021 at 7:58am

Slyngorm wrote on Jan 15th, 2021 at 4:32am:
Has any professional historian taken note of your reconstruction?

Nope

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Feb 15th, 2021 at 11:55am
https://youtu.be/tq_HMFBCcFg

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Feb 15th, 2021 at 4:06pm
Great video again Sarosh!  Please keep these coming!

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by David Morningstar on Feb 15th, 2021 at 4:57pm
Good video!

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by joe_meadmaker on Feb 15th, 2021 at 8:12pm
Awesome!  I like your continued exploration of this.

Do you lose a lot of fins during testing because they come out and you can't find them?

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Feb 16th, 2021 at 3:28am
Thanks!
leave a like if you like ::)


joe_meadmaker wrote on Feb 15th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Do you lose a lot of fins during testing because they come out and you can't find them?

I may lose a couple. I added a thread that connects each set of fins so that I don't spend minutes looking for them, without the thread some fins fly meters away and are not easy to spot in this rocky terrain.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Kick on Feb 16th, 2021 at 4:59am
You're really making me want to go back to the kestros :D I need to find a better choice of material for the shafts. I was using a broomstick before but I think it's far too thick and I made them too long.

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by NooneOfConsequence on Feb 16th, 2021 at 7:44am
How do they fly without fins? 

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Sarosh on Feb 16th, 2021 at 7:53am

Kick wrote on Feb 16th, 2021 at 4:59am:
a better choice of material for the shafts.

buy some thick dowels I have found up to 2cm.

@Nooc
https://youtu.be/oF6M82Qi81c?t=723

Title: Re: Kestros and Kestrosphendone the Original Design
Post by Kick on Feb 16th, 2021 at 11:23am
Yeah that would be better.  The broom stick I cut up is something like 3 and a half cm in diameter if I remember correctly.

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