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Message started by LightSlinger on Mar 18th, 2013 at 4:20am

Title: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by LightSlinger on Mar 18th, 2013 at 4:20am
Okay, here's the next in the series..

Do we want to standardize Sling Lengths, or no?


Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Steven on Mar 18th, 2013 at 11:08am
Any length consistent with participant or spectator safety ... may need to be a judgment call
depending on the slingers proficiency.  ... ie no pirouette with a 10 foot sling by a noob

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Bill Skinner on Mar 18th, 2013 at 1:19pm
Pretty much what Steven said, otherwise, no.  Everyone is different, let them use the sling that they feel most comfortable with.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Donnerschlag on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:28pm
What Steven said

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Dan on Mar 18th, 2013 at 2:31pm
Yeah, Most people in a competetion will quickly lean towards what works best, probably slings between 20" and 35" but there's no reason to restrict sling length. Though I do think sling length should be mentioned 'for the record' when accuracy merits are done so others can learn from that.

I've used slings sub 10" and they are really no more accurate than my 20" slings. They are just much weaker and make it easier to throw out your shoulder.  :)

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by squirrelslinger on Mar 18th, 2013 at 7:22pm
What dan said.BUT- We should put restrictions on it.... somewhat. like no longer that 90" and no shorter than 2 inches....
-Squirrel
Mainly the restrictions will be for spectator safety.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by MickR on Mar 18th, 2013 at 9:51pm
If it can be safely used in a spectator sport then, No. Each individual will have a different length that is comfortable for them, but as was mentioned, I think sling length used should be mentioned in any written record.


Mick

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by LightSlinger on Mar 19th, 2013 at 1:40am
Yep I agree.  I think that for the most part I think we can all agree that SOME restrictions must apply if only for the safety of spectators and other competitors.  We would just be making the "Standard" very loose.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by BPBrooks52 on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:18pm
I voted for standardization, but not in the direct sense of "Every sling needs to be Xcm"
I think multiple categories depending on sling length would make sense

For example, in archery, there's a "Hunting compound" "Open compound" and "Traditional" category (in my area, anyway)
This is in place to prevent people with a distinct mechanical advantage from competing with other people who use their stick and string. Even if I've seen a traditional archer out-shoot an open compound archer, I still think this system works is better than an all out free for all system.

A few extra inches on a sling isn't as much of an advantage as you can get with stabilization and cams on a bow, but it may still make divisions justifiable.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by LightSlinger on Mar 21st, 2013 at 1:52am

BPBrooks52 wrote on Mar 20th, 2013 at 11:18pm:
I voted for standardization, but not in the direct sense of "Every sling needs to be Xcm"
I think multiple categories depending on sling length would make sense

For example, in archery, there's a "Hunting compound" "Open compound" and "Traditional" category (in my area, anyway)
This is in place to prevent people with a distinct mechanical advantage from competing with other people who use their stick and string. Even if I've seen a traditional archer out-shoot an open compound archer, I still think this system works is better than an all out free for all system.

A few extra inches on a sling isn't as much of an advantage as you can get with stabilization and cams on a bow, but it may still make divisions justifiable.


Actually, the extra length is more likely to make a slinger less accurate anyway.  Standardization would probably need to be more of a "miminum length" thing.  Distance Competitions is where it would be the other way around..

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by curious_aardvark on Mar 21st, 2013 at 11:49am
recently discovered that the most accurate sling is the one you use everyday.

For the hillfort experiment I made up a 2 foot 'target' sling.
I was crap with it. went back to my everyday cap paul 32 inch sling - massive improvement in accuracy.

It's what you're used to.

I'd say a maximum length of 60 inches folded.
But it's unlikely anyone would ever seriously try target shooting with a lsing that long. Well larry bray did, but he's pretty exceptional :-)

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Morphy on Mar 23rd, 2013 at 12:56pm
As far as accuracy goes, length matters in relation to stone weight, but otherwise it's all relative.  

No standard length please.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by jlasud on Apr 1st, 2013 at 2:27am
NO STANDARD
yep,a slinger is most accurate with the sling he uses the most.

At the first International sling comp in Mallorca, i got in trouble with their sling length limitation because they allow a max 1m sling,and i'm used to 1.1m (43"). So i had to switch for the 70cm (27")sling,which i RARELY used so my weak accuracy got even worse during the comp.
A max length limitation should be put in front just to avoid the 10 feet sling noob pirouette,spectators duck syndrome.
50-60 inches would be plenty enough to fit 99.9% of all prefered sling lengths,while having a sane limit mostly for safety reasons.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by birol on Aug 24th, 2013 at 7:32pm
I think we should only recommend a reasonable length interval that fits most people. For safety reasons I think a net would suffice as in hammer throw.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by jlasud on Aug 27th, 2013 at 1:29am
Good idea birol. Recommending doesn't hurt anyone,and might discourage the 10 foot sling pirouette-ers.(if not,they are prohibited anyways)  And maybe a safety net,but watching true a net spoils the fun. But a slinger who sometimes is slinging backwards (where the spectators should be) is not ripe yet for a comp. Maybe a qualification test with 3-5 tennis balls could sort out the noob slingers with a rush to compete.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Toby on Aug 27th, 2013 at 2:12pm
Imagine Goliath slinging with Davids sling !!! ::)

I votet NO! I find restrictions on this ridicioulus!! :P

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by TheSlingin-Injun on Jan 6th, 2014 at 12:33pm
Between 10" and 60" then. Otherwise none.

Any shorter or long is useless/dangerous, and that range was stretching it a bit.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by squirrelslinger on Jan 6th, 2014 at 1:55pm
I say up it to 80 inches.
:)
Actually restrict it from 15" to 55"
Anything under 15" is more or less as accurate as hand throwing it

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by RJB on Jan 8th, 2014 at 10:24am
I say no restriction.  I disagree with the generalization of shorter slings being more accurate than longer ones.  Close up shorter ones are probably more accurate, but once past a certain point the short sling's trajectory really start to drop after 10 to 20 meters where a longer sling can sling a flat line drive to and past 50 meters.   Hitting an object with a 10 inch sling at a target that's 50 meters is probably as hard as hitting a target with in 10 meters with a 40 inch sling.

Another question to ask is:  Would it be alright to switch slings in mid competition for the one more suited for the distance?

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Donnerschlag on Feb 20th, 2014 at 12:10pm
[Figured I'd throw some more in for the sake of discussion]

One more thing that would be annoying is the fact that what makes a sling behave like a long/medium/short sling in the first place is the ratio to the individual slinger's dimensions.
At 6'/183cm tall, and with a 31"/79cm arm, what I consider to be a short sling would be more like a medium-length sling to someone at least a full head shorter than me.


If something based on category (Short/medium/long sling, etc.) were to gain traction, it should at least make it's definition based on ratio, not some arbitrary length.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Morphy on Mar 19th, 2014 at 5:36pm
Exactly.  Whether in bow making, sling making or whatever it's all proportional.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by DocKnotts on Dec 7th, 2014 at 2:00pm
How about having sling lenth categories? Have a short, medium znd long category. Have a historical replica category, any material category, and an any weapon category. Categories could be expanded & retracted as. Necessary to fit the needs & interest of the competitors.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by David the Shepherd on Dec 22nd, 2014 at 10:51pm
I think a range of length makes sense.

Title: Re: The Accuracy Commitee: Sling Length Standard?
Post by Rat Man on Jan 14th, 2015 at 8:17pm
I also agree with what Steven wrote. 

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