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Message started by Jaegoor on Mar 13th, 2010 at 2:25pm

Title: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Jaegoor on Mar 13th, 2010 at 2:25pm

Hi Leuts,

I saw in this film a Pikten flinging an arrow. Unfortunately, it is to be seen only very short.
Have you tried such a thing already once??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VL0oniQgMk&feature=related

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by slingbadger on Mar 13th, 2010 at 4:14pm
I've seen those before. I forget what they're called.
BTW, that can't be in Scotland, the sun is shining!

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by timann on Mar 13th, 2010 at 4:43pm
I think the film proves that the Picts shortbows was ...... sometimes ..... very short :D
timann

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Fundibularius on Mar 14th, 2010 at 6:26am
Looks like this to me: http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1257014504

Funny that, almost until present, directors put 5th century Arthurian warriors into 15th century armours. Same in "Camelot".

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by timann on Mar 14th, 2010 at 12:21pm
Yes, defintively those whip bows.  I found two, one at 1:38 and one at 2:40.  They got an high mortality rate.
timann

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Jaegoor on Mar 14th, 2010 at 4:42pm
I would have with pleasure a proof of 10 Jhr.

And how does one insert then arrow???

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Et Cetera on Mar 19th, 2010 at 8:03am
I think there's a loop one the end of the string and a notch near the front of the arrow.

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Jaegoor on Mar 19th, 2010 at 4:58pm
Hi Leuts,

I remembered once a bronze to have seen point.

It had lateral a small hook. I found a reply in the net.

For an archer this hook makes no sense.
artikel_0023475_b.JPG (14 KB | )

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Fundibularius on Mar 20th, 2010 at 4:14am
I agree, Jaegoor. It looks very much like a projectile point for a whip bow or something similar to me.

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 20th, 2010 at 4:50am

I disagree. Casting bronze is a very expensive process in terms of energy and effort. You dont go to such an expense only to throw the result from a whip bow when you could and should be using a proper bow. The cost of the bow is trivial compared to the cost of the bronze casting operation.




Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Fundibularius on Mar 20th, 2010 at 5:20am
I see the point, but I don't think arrows shot by something like a whip bow get lost more or less often than those shot by a bow, at least under battle conditions (for hunting it may be different). The possibility to retrieve either of them after combat is the same, no matter the accuracy.

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Jaegoor on Mar 20th, 2010 at 5:58am
Bronze is much less expensive during the production than metal
Bronze points were still used very long for the hunting.
Which sense would the hook have, otherwise??

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by curious_aardvark on Mar 20th, 2010 at 6:14am
the hook could just be leftover from the casting process,
it'd work as a barb so no reason to remove it.

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Jaegoor on Mar 20th, 2010 at 7:22am
Hi
against the fact speaks which he is bent.

If it was a rest from pour, he would not be it

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Fundibularius on Mar 20th, 2010 at 10:05am
It's not the original, but the hook looks intentional. A leftover from casting would probably be straight. And the curved bases of the blade wings work as barbs already.

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by Jaegoor on Mar 20th, 2010 at 10:49am
I have friends, which even today traditionally

Bronze pour. I have myself for my arrows also which from bronze.

Hence, I know that these points are not poured by the side.

Title: Re: Knights of the Round Table
Post by David Morningstar on Mar 20th, 2010 at 11:41am

More whip dart info: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NVZIsfj6D6EC&lpg=PA129&ots=S40xJSQWC9&dq=dart%20whip&pg=PA129#v=onepage&q=dart%20whip&f=false

I am still totally unconvinced that anyone would cast a bronze head for such a purpose.

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