how exactly would you garotte someone? like, the knot or string use method (standard nose, snare, slipknot). and lastly, would some thin but strong duct tape cord or hemp work? maybe fishing line like stuff except weaker? is their a good amount of break weight to have? and i won't garrote someone...and least not too bad :D

i gotta say, this is one seriously suspicious post, almost as much as my exsplosives post way back!
i have no idea, but i remebmer that bein a move in world of warcraft, but it used a sword or dager, so i have no clue.

Garrote, like shank, is both a noun and a verb. A garrote is a long thin wire usually made of copper small enough in diameter to cut under pressure yet thick enough to not snap. To garrote is to loop a wire or string around someone's neck from behind and pull upward violently. An alternative definition is a chair with a tourniquet like device used to slowly apply pressure on one's neck as a means of torture. THERE IS NO WAY TO SAFELY FAKE GARROTE SOMEONE. DO NOT TRY! Garrotes were used for assassination because if done right you would both choke and bleed from your jugular.

Masiaka is essentially correct; the garrote is entirely an assassination weapon.   In fact, the term "assassin" was applied to a group of warriors who, according to legend, used a strangling cord extensively.
In modern use, a length of strong wire (often music wire or "piano" wire) is fastened between two short handles.     The device kills primarily by cutting...  Very nasty.
The idea of course not only to eliminate the enemy but to take his weapon.

More versatile is the Japanese manriki consisting of two small weights connected by a chain.  The thing can strike blows, block or parry an opponent's blows, entangle or trap, and of course strangle.

xxkid123 wrote on Dec 7^th, 2009 at 6:36pm:

how exactly would you garotte someone? like, the knot or string use method (standard nose, snare, slipknot). and lastly, would some thin but strong duct tape cord or hemp work? maybe fishing line like stuff except weaker? is their a good amount of break weight to have? and i won't garrote someone...and least not too bad :D

is this just a question for information? or are you looking for a solution to a problem?.....lol

The garotte is seriously scary stuff: http://www.donrearic.com/thegarrotte.html

Bikewer wrote on Dec 7^th, 2009 at 10:07pm:

Masiaka is essentially correct; the garrote is entirely an assassination weapon.   In fact, the term "assassin" was applied to a group of warriors who, according to legend, used a strangling cord extensively.

   I believe your thinking about the thugee (sp???) cult in India who use ritualized murder with a cord as a form of religious devotion to Kali. Assassin I thinks is a word that originates from the middle east.  I remember reading Freya Stark's travel log "The Valleys of the Assassins", a great book written in 1934, where she travels around the Syria area looking for a mythical hideout of the Assassins.
 
Either way a garrote is an excellent way to kill someone if such things can be said, as typically with a good pull you can very nearly sever someone's head.  Its probably not one of the best ideas to play around with it as a little too much pressure could end in a very serious injury.

In other new's "Garote" is a style of stick used in the Filipino Martial Arts,  It is traditionally made out of hardwood "Bahi or kamagong" and has an elliptical profile.  This gives is an edge like quality which concentrated the force of a blow.  The edge combined with the weight of the stick virtually guarantees broken bones.  These were the sticks escrimadors would use in death match fights in the Philippines up until the end of WW2.

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If you suspect someone is behind you, sneaking, attempting to garrote you, simply stroke your chin (it may help to feign detached thoughtfulness) with one hand, taking care not to remove it or create any gap. You may be standing, walking or sitting still. Keep on with this action, as the would-be attacker will likely become impatient and have no choice other than to give up and leave, having had no suitable vulnerable target present itself for the entire duration of the plot.

If you have seen the show Dexter, in the first season he often ambushes people with a garrote-type attack used only for deprivation of air instead of asphyxiation and bleeding. Most simply, it is a thin length of metal wire attached to 2 handles used by crossing your arms so it loops, drop it over their head, and then pull your ams back and apart as far as possible.

Also, the origin of the word assassin is shrouded in a lot of myth and belief. One of the most common origins i have heard is it related to a sect of paid killers who would put themselves under the effects of hashish before making the hit on their target. They became known as the sect or cult of the hashasins, which then easily morphed into assassins to describe all hired contract killers.

Hehe- I read the Wiki on the history of the term...It's complex and mostly shrouded in folklore.  Evidently there's little evidence of drug-stoked killers; more like what we call "asymmetrical warfare" today.

If we're going for method I'd use the crossed hands method. Gives you a serious amount of pull.
And I don't think you can beat the good old piano wire and wooden toggles model.

It's quick and if they manage to get their fingers in the way - should slice through.

Theoretically - of course ;-)


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If you suspect someone is behind you, sneaking, attempting to garrote you, simply stroke your chin (it may help to feign detached thoughtfulness) with one hand, taking care not to remove it or create any gap. You may be standing, walking or sitting still. Keep on with this action, as the would-be attacker will likely become impatient and have no choice other than to give up and leave, having had no suitable vulnerable target present itself for the entire duration of the plot.

Unless it's me and I'll do it anyway and slice through anything blocking the way.
Also I might tickle you first, thus causing you to move your hand.

Mind you at the end of the day I'd probably simply bludgeon you with a big club. It's more my style :-)

Axe handle vs skull, skull loses every time.  :o

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Also brings visions of Inglorious Basterds the "Bear Jew" teeing off on a German officers head with a baseball bat.

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 7^th, 2009 at 8:24pm:

An alternative definition is a chair with a tourniquet like device used to slowly apply pressure on one's neck as a means of torture. THERE IS NO WAY TO SAFELY FAKE GARROTE SOMEONE. DO NOT TRY! Garrotes were used for assassination because if done right you would both choke and bleed from your jugular.

That's how the Spaniards executed Atahualpa, the last Inca. They sat him on a chair with the rope arround his neck, then strangled him with torsion. In fact , he was set to be burned alive, but at the last moment, he converted to Christian faith and sentenced to Garrote instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote
 

Two names came to my mind when I read the subject: Atahualpa and Luca Brasi. ;)

Lucca Brasi sleeps with the fishes.

The good ol' stab in the hand followed by a piano wire through the neck. Classic!

A potter friend set me up with a big 'ole clay brick and a sealed plastic bag (forget what the company name is) loaded with all the tools and implements a neophyte potter needs to get started. Included in the bag is a (you guessed it) garrote. A nice one with wooden handles! It's used to slice clay from the brick.  ;)

walter

A stick with a rope tied from end to end with a little slack is also a classic garrote,  place around the neck and twist the stick...bloodless death should happen almost instantly.
Another classic is a piece of paracord with a mini mag lite tied  in one end and a solid writing pen in the other.
This things has no cutting effect, but still....dangerous and not toys.
timann

Liberty dog wrote on Dec 7^th, 2009 at 10:56pm:

xxkid123 wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:36pm: how exactly would you garotte someone? like, the knot or string use method (standard nose, snare, slipknot). and lastly, would some thin but strong duct tape cord or hemp work? maybe fishing line like stuff except weaker? is their a good amount of break weight to have? and i won't garrote someone...and least not too bad :D is this just a question for information? or are you looking for a solution to a problem?.....lol

Actually in doomwhite by Brian jaques they used a garrote like thing, then in Saga (anther good book) an assassin uses it. i got curious after that...

walter wrote on Dec 8^th, 2009 at 3:18pm:

A potter friend set me up with a big 'ole clay brick and a sealed plastic bag (forget what the company name is) loaded with all the tools and implements a neophyte potter needs to get started. Included in the bag is a (you guessed it) garrote. A nice one with wooden handles! It's used to slice clay from the brick.  ;) walter

THos are garrote? i see 5 of those im my art class! great to know i can kill with em now aint it  ::)

Again: Sometimes I'm getting worried on this forum.

Fundibularius wrote on Dec 9^th, 2009 at 5:25am:

Again: Sometimes I'm getting worried on this forum.

I know. I tried to play up the dangerous "don't do this" part to no avail.

i never said i was going to use one...at least not much more then with some string and the chair i'm sitting on to see the chances of getting a piece of cord over some moving object...

I would do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQR8RVe4KM but don't see the point when you can put the victim in a full rear naked choke and have the same effect minus the blood if using a piano wire or wood saw. I think it's an out dated old world weapon

JerrySlinger wrote on Dec 9^th, 2009 at 6:14pm:

I would do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQR8RVe4KM but don't see the point when you can put the victim in a full rear naked choke and have the same effect minus the blood if using a piano wire or wood saw. I think it's an out dated old world weapon

It's harder to get the leverage needed to break a garrote than it is to get out of a joint lock (or choke hold) of any kind. Also, the blood is a good thing. Bleeding lowers blood pressure, weakens the muscles, makes it harder to escape, and takes only seconds to kill as opposed to 2 minutes for choking. Also, if someone is suspicious and tries to block the garrote they end up with a slashed wrist and a useless hand. Having a cut throat also keeps victims from screaming if they do manage to escape giving the attacker a second chance. Garrotes are also easily concealed and can be used as tools if needed.

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If you suspect someone is behind you, sneaking, attempting to garrote you, simply stroke your chin (it may help to feign detached thoughtfulness) with one hand, taking care not to remove it or create any gap. You may be standing, walking or sitting still. Keep on with this action, as the would-be attacker will likely become impatient and have no choice other than to give up and leave, having had no suitable vulnerable target present itself for the entire duration of the plot.

Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 8^th, 2009 at 12:31pm:

Unless it's me and I'll do it anyway and slice through anything blocking the way.

It would hurt, but I don't think it would go all the way through.  While the hand was injured, it would act as a barrier to the neck/throat, so that horrific screaming (automatic and guaranteed) would be heard for quite a ways, which would remove much of the advantage of using a garrote. Also, that wouldn't be the end of it
1/10 pts.


Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 8^th, 2009 at 12:31pm:

Also I might tickle you first, thus causing you to move your hand.

This is much better, but I am afraid you may lose hold on one of the grips.  Even if you don't, I will curl up reflexively as is normal, elbows going in which leaves two hands near the face-- you'll have to act fast (tricky timing/angle/small space/quick movement), and you may still end up getting a hand in there.  If you DO get the hand inside the loop, more likely than staying on the hand (if facing towards the face) due to curvature of hand, it may slide and land upwards (getting me  on the teeth) or down (on the wrist).  Still not ideal, but very original and possible if you're well rehearsed (which I fully assume you are :) )
+7/10 pts


Curious Aardvark wrote on Dec 8^th, 2009 at 12:31pm:

Mind you at the end of the day I'd probably simply bludgeon you with a big club. It's more my style :-)

I much prefer this way, as the comfort level is profoundly higher.  Effective, sweet.  Also, I've heard from others that this is just your thing

So, when's the next meet up :D ?

Masiakasaurus wrote on Dec 9^th, 2009 at 7:04pm:

JerrySlinger wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:14pm: I would do it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMQR8RVe4KM but don't see the point when you can put the victim in a full rear naked choke and have the same effect minus the blood if using a piano wire or wood saw. I think it's an out dated old world weapon It's harder to get the leverage needed to break a garrote than it is to get out of a joint lock (or choke hold) of any kind. Also, the blood is a good thing. Bleeding lowers blood pressure, weakens the muscles, makes it harder to escape, and takes only seconds to kill as opposed to 2 minutes for choking. Also, if someone is suspicious and tries to block the garrote they end up with a slashed wrist and a useless hand. Having a cut throat also keeps victims from screaming if they do manage to escape giving the attacker a second chance. Garrotes are also easily concealed and can be used as tools if needed.

Sounds like a bloody mess to me, choking a a person to death while they squirm and spirt blood from their throat and being covered in potentally dangerous blood. Why not just use a knife, shovel or tomahawk if we are going there? When was the last time you have seen troops being taught to use a garrot for sentry removal? I am just saying it would be my last choice.

As I recall, the primary use of the weapon during WWII was by "irregular" forces (partisans, resistance fighters, etc.) primarily as a means of getting better weapons.  Take out a sentry-gain a Mauser or Schmiesser.

The very same idea as the "Liberator" pistol; the cheap, stamped-steel single-shot .45 pistol that was made in large numbers for distribution to resistance fighters and such during the war.
(Evidently, a rather large number of these went missing, and were never accounted for!)

The Soviets used to teach their irregular infantry, and I think Spetznaz too, to use wire-saws as garrotes. They also taught them to hold their knives backwards to make it easier to slash a throat from behind. I have no idea about the Russian Army or the former Eastern Bloc countries. The British SAS are issued wire saws also so it wouldn't be a huge leap to think that they are trained to use them as more than tools.

Among the nastier pieces of equipment in my wife´s repertoire; a fetotome, basically a saw wire with steel handles on each end. Last spring I used that to shorthen the horns of a fully grown icelandic ram...

It could also be cord, with a loop ending in a slipknot. The more the victim struggles, the tighter it gets.  

slingbadger wrote on Dec 10^th, 2009 at 3:54pm:

It could also be cord, with a loop ending in a slipknot. The more the victim struggles, the tighter it gets.

That would be a simple noose, my friend.