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Message started by Khalazar on Nov 25th, 2009 at 9:19am

Title: Staff sling
Post by Khalazar on Nov 25th, 2009 at 9:19am
They rule :)

I've heard about the quite great power of the staff sling, and decided to make my own.

Just about now, I can understand how awesome it feels.
A kinda smooth, untiring move hurls the damn stone with enough force to embed a pointy stone in a tree (!) with some luck.(I was in a forest)
One can imagine that this is quite enough energy to split some skulls. Which is why my staff sling shall go by the name of Skullsplitter. Because I think it sounds cool.
Also, I must find that it is significiantly easier to get good shots with a staff sling than with a hand sling when you're unexperienced, although my previous hand slinging eperience may help in staff-slinging.

I've had problems, though: The kinda big stones flop out of the pouch or launch prematurely, in a quite dangerous arc for the slinger (me :D). Which kinda defeats part of the purpose of the staff sling: Slinging some really big honkers.
It's not quite as pretty as other staff slings I've seen (I mean you Rat Man!), rather designed to be easily and speedily constructed. The staff is more or less 180 cm or 6' long, the cords 60 cm or 2' and braided by the toughest son of bitch recycled string I've ever seen. Have some images!
(lacking a photo site account, I'll just triple-post)

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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Khalazar on Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:29am
Slung a bit less than fist sized stones quite a distance. I've fallen in love.

Scroll down to Rat Man's post for images (thanks Rat Man for downsizing, btw. Makes 'em prettier too  ;))

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by David Morningstar on Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:13pm

Yep, they're good fun  ;D

Have you seen the slo-mo videos? I have been spamming them around a bit so you might well have done...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reEaUOTU1KI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QjFam33ng8

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 25th, 2009 at 1:48pm
That is a good looking staff sling. I have yet to make one, some day soon though.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Nov 25th, 2009 at 3:07pm
Thanks for the kind words,  Khalazar.  Staff slings are loads of fun and can hurl large ammo that would break your arm if you used a hand sling.  I took the liberty of shrinking your pictures so we could get a better look at them.  
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Nov 25th, 2009 at 3:08pm
That is a nice looking staff sling.  I made three, but I ran out of bamboo.. the kids around here got interested in making staff slings.  I'm getting a new load of bamboo in soon so I'll be back in business.  
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by curious_aardvark on Nov 26th, 2009 at 7:44am
nice staff sling - I resized your original picture (puts thumbs in ears, pokes tongue out and waggles fingers in ratman's direction lol)

Check out photogadget resizer - around 800x600 works well for us :-)
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258292684
A few other programs you might have a look at there as well :-)


Quote:
The kinda big stones flop out of the pouch or launch prematurely, in a quite dangerous arc for the slinger (me Cheesy). Which kinda defeats part of the purpose of the staff sling: Slinging some really big honkers.

Ah you're putting too much 'oomph' in the early stages of the throw. Start slow and only give a big heave right at the end and you should get much better/flatter trajectories.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Khalazar on Nov 26th, 2009 at 2:37pm

Curious Aardvark wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 7:44am:
nice staff sling - I resized your original picture (puts thumbs in ears, pokes tongue out and waggles fingers in ratman's direction lol)

Check out photogadget resizer - around 800x600 works well for us :-)
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258292684
A few other programs you might have a look at there as well :-)


Quote:
The kinda big stones flop out of the pouch or launch prematurely, in a quite dangerous arc for the slinger (me Cheesy). Which kinda defeats part of the purpose of the staff sling: Slinging some really big honkers.

Ah you're putting too much 'oomph' in the early stages of the throw. Start slow and only give a big heave right at the end and you should get much better/flatter trajectories.


I'll try that then, thanks for the resizing too. It's getting quite hard to sling. All good stones are near a construction yard, where I don't really want to show up due to an accident involving my hand sling and some guy's car.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 26th, 2009 at 8:15pm

Khalazar wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 2:37pm:

Curious Aardvark wrote on Nov 26th, 2009 at 7:44am:
nice staff sling - I resized your original picture (puts thumbs in ears, pokes tongue out and waggles fingers in ratman's direction lol)

Check out photogadget resizer - around 800x600 works well for us :-)
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258292684
A few other programs you might have a look at there as well :-)


Quote:
The kinda big stones flop out of the pouch or launch prematurely, in a quite dangerous arc for the slinger (me Cheesy). Which kinda defeats part of the purpose of the staff sling: Slinging some really big honkers.

Ah you're putting too much 'oomph' in the early stages of the throw. Start slow and only give a big heave right at the end and you should get much better/flatter trajectories.


I'll try that then, thanks for the resizing too. It's getting quite hard to sling. All good stones are near a construction yard, where I don't really want to show up due to an accident involving my hand sling and some guy's car.


Tennis balls for safety, clay ammo for consistancy and distance. Fixes both of your problems.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:44am
This is my Staff Sling/ Fustibale and my loading-squire.
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by curious_aardvark on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:51am

Quote:
where I don't really want to show up due to an accident involving my hand sling and some guy's car.

lol we've most of us been there. That's when you develop the nonchalant walk and innocent expression.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:51am
And this is what happens to a viking with wooden shield on 80-90 meters when the projectile / waterballoon hits him in battle. He survived very wet. Since then Staff Slings are feared on german reenactor-battlefields.
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Thearos on Nov 28th, 2009 at 11:27am
The sling loading photograph: the pouch very assymmetrical. Is that OK ?

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Nov 28th, 2009 at 11:30am

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:51am:
And this is what happens to a viking with wooden shield on 80-90 meters when the projectile / waterballoon hits him in battle. He survived very wet. Since then Staff Slings are feared on german reenactor-battlefields.


Hello, and welcome, Jaegoor;
   That's a great looking staff sling!  I like the curve in the staff.  
Khalazar, I don't see why your staff sling is dropping big ammo prematurely.  It looks fine to me.  It's probably as c_a says.. you just need to tweak your form a bit.  If this doesn't help, however, a good sling for holding any sized projectiles is a pj. (Guides and Articles)  ilpc and I make them long, like around eight inches.  Mine look like a canoe when I'm done.  A long pj sling will sort of wrap around the projectile.  They'll hold anything from a large acorn sized projectile to a baseball.  
  I should be getting more bamboo any day now so I can begin experimenting again.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Nov 28th, 2009 at 11:38am

Thearos wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 11:27am:
The sling loading photograph: the pouch very asymmetrical. Is that OK ?

One of my staff slings had an asymmetrical, though not that much, pj sling on it and it worked great.  I'd say it's absolutely OK and possibly better than a symmetrical sling.  From what I'm seeing in the picture, Jaegoor makes a mean staff sling!

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Fundibularius on Nov 28th, 2009 at 12:08pm
Jaegoor, that's 8-) 8-) 8-)!

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Nov 28th, 2009 at 12:52pm
No, it's not asymetric, more triangular. The force is transmitted better for the waterballoons. Otherwise they would burst on slinging. We have to tape them even.
The curved staff increases the range of the sling because the sling opens a bit later.
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by David Morningstar on Nov 28th, 2009 at 1:52pm

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 12:52pm:
No, it's not asymetric, more triangular. The force is transmitted better for the waterballoons. Otherwise they would burst on slinging. We have to tape them even.
The curved staff increases the range of the sling because the sling opens a bit later.


I am really impressed. That poor shield guy!  ;D

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Nov 28th, 2009 at 2:42pm
The first staff sling that I made, which I gave to my buddy Del, had a bit of a curve like that to it, but only in the lower portion.  I liked the feel of it.  I can't wait for the new bamboo so I get started again.  I should have it any day now.  I received some recently, but it was too thin to make a staff sling from.  I may experiment with making atlatl darts with it.  In that I've never done anything like that it should prove most... interesting.  

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Thearos on Nov 28th, 2009 at 2:55pm
what I meant is that the projectile does not seem centred in the pouch

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by slingingrat on Nov 28th, 2009 at 3:05pm
jaegoor were can i get a staff sling like that do u trade or sell them if not were did u get the staff and the tip if u do trade or sell pm me ;)

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by ilovepancakes on Nov 30th, 2009 at 8:23am
I found a good branch yesterday to start experimenting with the staff sling. I doubt it will be pretty but I will post some pics when it is complete.

I am thinking of making it kind of retro and using a seatbelt sling.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Dec 1st, 2009 at 1:40pm
They don't have to be pretty to work well.  When it's all said and done it's just a hand sling tied to a stick.  It's really that simple.  If everyone knew how easy they were to make and use we'd have a lot more staff slingers.  It certainly doesn't hurt, however, to make a beautiful one like Jaegoor's.  He's posted some pictures of three very beautiful hand slings in Pictures of Slings and Slinging.  It's worth a look.  

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by slingingrat on Dec 1st, 2009 at 3:26pm
i still want to know were he got the tip for that sling staff? :o

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 1st, 2009 at 4:20pm
I like to explain you how to make staff sling but a little bit later because i need my friend for translation. Its not so difficult you think.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 1st, 2009 at 4:23pm
See you later and here a historical picture
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Thearos on Dec 1st, 2009 at 6:11pm
What a great picture ? Where is it from ?

At a guess: S. Germany, ca. 1520 ?

Landknecht sitting round a table, i n their civilian clothes. At one end, a drunken fight involving a Katzbalger and a pewter pot.

Above the table, weapons-- the tools of these violent men. Parts of breastplates. Halberds and guisarmes (vel sim). 2 crossbows (one with crank, one with goat's foot). Quiver for crossbow bolts. Powderhorn for handguns-- I think the longthings with cloth covers are probably two-men hand guns (which might take the date of this to ca. 1475 ?)

And, surprisingly enough, a staff sling, with a huge pouch and a really heavy stone. Good represntation of a ?woven? pouch ?

Anyway, that's what I see.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by David Morningstar on Dec 1st, 2009 at 6:15pm

Interestingly it goes for a slit-and-knot release rather than a loop or ring.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by walter on Dec 1st, 2009 at 9:50pm

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:51am:
And this is what happens to a viking with wooden shield on 80-90 meters when the projectile / waterballoon hits him in battle. He survived very wet. Since then Staff Slings are feared on german reenactor-battlefields.


Wow! That whole scene looks like a dream. Sure beats slingin' by your lonesome. Slings, shields, blondes, brunettes, tents, campfires...

walter (feeling like the lone slinger right now)

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by B.cereus on Dec 2nd, 2009 at 9:15am
cool post, thanks for sharing :)

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Dec 4th, 2009 at 12:48pm
and they're all playing backgammon while they plan their mayhem.. I suppose.  Backgammon appeared in France in the 11th century and Germany in the 12th.  Apparently the game started in the Middle East over 5,000 years ago!  It looks like the guy to our right at the end of the table didn't like loosing!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backgammon#Europe

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by winkleried on Dec 4th, 2009 at 10:01pm
Another Slinger that wears Funny Clothes :)

Thought about hanging out in the Goliath Subforum??? :D

Marc Adkins



Jaegoor wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:44am:
This is my Staff Sling/ Fustibale and my loading-squire.


Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by winkleried on Dec 4th, 2009 at 10:02pm
How thick was that shield????

We use taped up tennis balls for our ammuntion..........

Marc Adkins


Jaegoor wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:51am:
And this is what happens to a viking with wooden shield on 80-90 meters when the projectile / waterballoon hits him in battle. He survived very wet. Since then Staff Slings are feared on german reenactor-battlefields.


Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by winkleried on Dec 4th, 2009 at 10:06pm
From someone else who does the historical reenactment Scene, It can be quite fun.... although in this area I am the only forumite doing it, I do know of another member who is intrested in the sling.

Marc Adkins



walter wrote on Dec 1st, 2009 at 9:50pm:

Jaegoor wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 10:51am:
And this is what happens to a viking with wooden shield on 80-90 meters when the projectile / waterballoon hits him in battle. He survived very wet. Since then Staff Slings are feared on german reenactor-battlefields.


Wow! That whole scene looks like a dream. Sure beats slingin' by your lonesome. Slings, shields, blondes, brunettes, tents, campfires...

walter (feeling like the lone slinger right now)


Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by winkleried on Dec 4th, 2009 at 10:07pm
What's the Sources for this Pic????

Marc Adkins


Jaegoor wrote on Dec 1st, 2009 at 4:23pm:
See you later and here a historical picture


Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by winkleried on Dec 4th, 2009 at 10:10pm
When I built my staff Sling. I purchased a thick Hardwood Dowel Rod from one of the hardware stores. put a notch on one end of it and drilled a hole through it for the retention end.....

Works great for Me

Marc Adkins


ilovepancakes wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 8:23am:
I found a good branch yesterday to start experimenting with the staff sling. I doubt it will be pretty but I will post some pics when it is complete.

I am thinking of making it kind of retro and using a seatbelt sling.


Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 5th, 2009 at 5:54am
hi winkleried

The shield had a thickness of 4,5 mm (no idea how much that is in leguas, miles  or werst Wink) The projectile was a water balloon with a weight of 250 grs.
I would like to mention that the shield was not in accordance with the regulation of the German Reenactors' Community which specifies a minimum of 6 mm thickness for any shield. Many reenactors still cover their shield frames with linen or rawhide only.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by winkleried on Dec 5th, 2009 at 12:44pm
No Problem Jaegoor. I can work with the SI system of measurement as well. Thinks for the Weight and Dimensions. I do a 2 hour class on historical slings and thier effectiveness for the SCA. That pic will go a long way in my class in showing what a staff sling can do. All of the participants in the class are not slingers so they have no idea what can happen down range.

Thanks again

Marc Adkins


Jaegoor wrote on Dec 5th, 2009 at 5:54am:
hi winkleried

The shield had a thickness of 4,5 mm (no idea how much that is in leguas, miles  or werst Wink) The projectile was a water balloon with a weight of 250 grs.
I would like to mention that the shield was not in accordance with the regulation of the German Reenactors' Community which specifies a minimum of 6 mm thickness for any shield. Many reenactors still cover their shield frames with linen or rawhide only.


Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 5th, 2009 at 5:46pm
The subject matters in your class sound very fasciating.
Most people don't have any idea about how much damage a sling can cause.
I've got another picture showing the effect of a sling impact.
This used to be an old kitchen table top.  
My shot was fired with a normal hand sling at 50 m.
The projectiles were stones (of which one is still stuck), but also concrete balls.
The stones and the balls had a weight of appr. 200-250 grs.
I also have other pictures of me in my historical garment.  
They show me shooting "Jaegoor" style.   ;) :D :D :D

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 5th, 2009 at 5:50pm
da
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by xxkid123 on Dec 5th, 2009 at 6:37pm
wow, that is strong. it looks like the table used to have a few up holders in it from the rock's penetration.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 6th, 2009 at 5:47am
resisted uselessly.
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:13am
...another look...
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 16th, 2009 at 12:33pm
Hi Leuts,


Here three my Staffslings.
With them I best shoot. 8-)
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Dec 16th, 2009 at 11:42pm
sized to 35%:
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Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 17th, 2009 at 7:46am
Thank you

It really becomes a time for a picture processing programme :D ;D

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by David Morningstar on Dec 17th, 2009 at 8:19am

I use this: http://www.irfanview.com/

Image > Resize/Resample, then Save As

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Dec 17th, 2009 at 2:45pm
You're quite welcome.  It's no problem for me to resize your photographs.  

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Jaegoor on Dec 18th, 2009 at 10:02am
Many thanks Rat Man

I do not work yet very long with computer.

I slinge rather. ;D

http://www.ottonenzeit.de/slinger/slinger2.html

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by Rat Man on Dec 18th, 2009 at 1:53pm

Jaegoor wrote on Dec 18th, 2009 at 10:02am:
Many thanks Rat Man

I do not work yet very long with computer.

I slinge rather. ;D

http://www.ottonenzeit.de/slinger/slinger2.html


... and we're very glad that you do.  You've already added much quality input to our site.

Title: Re: Staff sling
Post by David Morningstar on Dec 18th, 2009 at 8:36pm
Roger that!

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