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Message started by cronk70 on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:19pm

Title: the Hoopack
Post by cronk70 on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:19pm
hia everybody this is my first topic ;D

this is a weapon used by a race called the kender (unique to the dragonlance books very good read) its used as a walking stick and a catapult.
it took me years of not so vigilant looking to find the perfect branch for it (and even then its still a little bit bent in the middle) but here it is.
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Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by curious_aardvark on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:25pm
lol nice one - a stabilised slingshot :-)
If you carve a notch near the other end you can attach a sling and use it as a staff slin too !

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by cronk70 on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:31pm
ty ;D

whats a staff slin?

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by kuggur slingdog on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:26pm

cronk70 wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:31pm:
ty ;D

whats a staff slin?


A typo ;) Type "staff sling" in the search box of this forum and you´ll find out more than you ever need to know about it.

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by slinger87 on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:13am

wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:26pm:

cronk70 wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:31pm:
ty ;D

whats a staff slin?


A typo ;) Type "staff sling" in the search box of this forum and you´ll find out more than you ever need to know about it.

and aint that the truth?

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Camo-sling on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:30am

Curious Aardvark wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:25pm:
lol nice one - a stabilised slingshot :-)
If you carve a notch near the other end you can attach a sling and use it as a staff slin too !


I like the way you think  ;)

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by cronk70 on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 3:01pm
ty for the info but if i make a sling staff ittle be on another stick as this is supposed to be a walking stick as well. :D

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by David Morningstar on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 4:12pm

There was a guy who used a forked branch to make a staff-sling hoopak, in the pic below. The center cord is shorter than the other two so as the pouch goes 'over the top' it pulls on the back of the pouch and rolls the ammo out of the front.



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Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Corvid on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:50am
greetings - I loved the Dragonlance books and always wondered how the hoopak worked, most descriptions were a bit ambigious, it seems to be a Staff/sling/slingshot/spear/Bullroarer - can you get yours to make the bullroarer noise?

heres a couple of links to descriptions ive found -

http://www.dlnexus.com/fan/rules/14451.aspx

http://www.valikorlia.com/wiki/Hoopak

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by cronk70 on Jun 8th, 2009 at 1:34pm

Corvid wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:50am:
greetings - I loved the Dragonlance books and always wondered how the hoopak worked, most descriptions were a bit ambigious, it seems to be a Staff/sling/slingshot/spear/Bullroarer - can you get yours to make the bullroarer noise?

heres a couple of links to descriptions ive found -

http://www.dlnexus.com/fan/rules/14451.aspx

http://www.valikorlia.com/wiki/Hoopak


not exactly but i think thats just the way i made it :-[

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Kjev on Jun 11th, 2009 at 7:08am

Corvid wrote on Jun 5th, 2009 at 8:50am:
greetings - I loved the Dragonlance books and always wondered how the hoopak worked, most descriptions were a bit ambigious, it seems to be a Staff/sling/slingshot/spear/Bullroarer - can you get yours to make the bullroarer noise?


I agree that the descriptions were pretty vague. It was fiction, (and really good until they opened it up to a jillion different authors), but if a person knew how a bullroarer worked, they could probably make a hoopak that made noise.

If I remember correctly, the pictures shown of a hoopak showed it with pretty short cords, like six inches long or so, as opposed to the lengths commonly found in a staff sling. I wonder if that would make much of a difference performancewise.

K'Jev
8-)

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by ChuckRocks on Jun 11th, 2009 at 7:40am

slinger87 wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 7:13am:

wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 6:26pm:

cronk70 wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:31pm:
ty ;D

whats a staff slin?


A typo ;) Type "staff sling" in the search box of this forum and you´ll find out more than you ever need to know about it.

and aint that the truth?


Amen!
But please don't get "Staff Slin(g)" confused with the Slinging dot org staff.
They hate it when that happens.
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Title: Re: the Hoopack hooplah
Post by ChuckRocks on Jun 11th, 2009 at 7:57am
From
http://www.dlnexus.com/fan/rules/14451.aspx
"Hoopak: The hoopak is the most common of kender tools. This 5ft., ironwood staff has a short spike attached to its tip, which doubles as a spear or bo stick and inflicts the first damage value listed in the above chart for both. The staff's other end is forked and laced with gut. A stone may be flung by either planting the blade end of the hoopak in the earth and bending the staff back to sling the stone, or whirling the hoopak overhead as a traditional sling-staff. This tool acts like a bullroar when whirled in the air, creating a low thrumming sound. Other uses include prying with the blade, and picking apples with the gut."

Sounds like a LaCroix stick to me. (Ok, Lacrosse. The Indians who played the game were La Croix.)
The above description above does not mention a sling, just lacings at the forked end.
Made out of "Ironwood" and yet retains a lot of spring flex to be used as a catapult with the end simply stuck in the ground.

Now you know why I gave up reading SciFi.
ChuckRocks
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Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Woonilsra on Jun 15th, 2009 at 9:22pm
oy i remember those dragonlance books!
in my opinion, they suck, extremely cheasy, and waste of time. BUT...
i read one a summer ago and DID find it entertainign and ammusing, and i started a trend with em.
i read it then didnt read them for all the school year, then started again in the summer, sooooooo...
now i only read them every summer, and its a hobbit,  and i do find them ammusing despite what i said.
hoopaks ok, but id rather the company of archers from the first book i think? (the just foud out ninas a freaking beastly girl)

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by cronk70 on Aug 25th, 2009 at 4:03pm
boooooooooooo >:( >:( >:(

they are great books and there are tones of them too!!!

but back to the hoopack chuckrocks the spear tip u discribe was usualy barely sharp (after all it is suposed to be a walking stick as well...) try this link.

http://www.kencyclopedia.com/kender/general/kenderdl3e.cfm?page=hoopakHistory

for how they are discribed in the book and the history of it. (you kinda need to have red the book to understand the history but the rest is quite good good( :P woonilsra))

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Kjev on Aug 25th, 2009 at 11:23pm
They were good, Cronk, and I collected them, until Weis & Hickman opened up the universe and everyone, their dog, sheep, chicken, cat, and parakeet wrote a trilogy. I just couldn't afford it, and some of them weren't that great.

Kaz, the Minotaur, however, will always be my favorite.

K'Jev
8-)

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by ChuckRocks on Aug 26th, 2009 at 8:24am
You are lucky to have had Young Reader books that you could enjoy.
When I was a kid we didn't have written words, all we had were crude drawings on the cave walls. Kinda like today's cartoons. And talk about taking your books home, they were the home.

Heck, we barely even had a spoken language, just a bunch of monosyllable grunts. Sometimes we couldn't tell if Dad was chewing us out for something or just clearing his throat.
He was always chewing on something; dinosaur, mostly.  You want to know what really killed the Dinys? It was Dad, Og, the great hunter.
Dad was old-school. You know; like pre-fire. OMG, he made vacations a nightmare. We would be on the path for hours and Dad would want to stop for a bite so we’d pull into the first Broto’s we’d see and before the girl could take our order, Dad would be gnawing the legs off someone’s transportation.

Reading, so easy even a dymythyopod can do it.

ChuckRocks

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by quepy on Sep 8th, 2009 at 3:04am
I like DnD.  I hate Kender.

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Eoraptor on Sep 8th, 2009 at 6:44pm

ChuckRocks wrote on Aug 26th, 2009 at 8:24am:
You are lucky to have had Young Reader books that you could enjoy.
When I was a kid we didn't have written words, all we had were crude drawings on the cave walls. Kinda like today's cartoons. And talk about taking your books home, they were the home.

Heck, we barely even had a spoken language, just a bunch of monosyllable grunts. Sometimes we couldn't tell if Dad was chewing us out for something or just clearing his throat.
He was always chewing on something; dinosaur, mostly.  You want to know what really killed the Dinys? It was Dad, Og, the great hunter.
Dad was old-school. You know; like pre-fire. OMG, he made vacations a nightmare. We would be on the path for hours and Dad would want to stop for a bite so we’d pull into the first Broto’s we’d see and before the girl could take our order, Dad would be gnawing the legs off someone’s transportation.

Reading, so easy even a dymythyopod can do it.

ChuckRocks


;D


Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by cronk70 on Sep 9th, 2009 at 1:10pm
i must admit iv only red the first three and test of the twins. not a good roll modle eh? ;D

and as for quepy yay and boo (in that order)

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by quepy on Sep 10th, 2009 at 4:17am
Hear me out on this one: the Kender represents the inner child in people.  This offers good traits for adventurers like curiosity, enthusiasm, and appreciation of even mundane phenomena.  But there's also plenty of bad traits to go along with it that tip the scale toward the negative like a ton of lead.  

It's like trying to conduct a commando raid with an 5 year old.  More often than not, they're a huge liability that requires babysitting.  They steal your stuff without you knowing and therefore that piece of your gear is gone when you need it most.  If you make it out alive to confront them about it, the Kender will get all indignant, cry a little, and evoke sympathy from the rest of the party, making you look like the bad guy for picking on the poor little misunderstood Kender.  And chances are the predicament you got into that required the gear was the Kender's fault as well.  

For obvious reasons, nobody trusts them in any civilized town, and merchants absolutely despise them.  So why would a team of mercenaries that relies on each other for their very survival ever go adventuring with a Kender?  They're tricky little people that "borrow" without permission, require constant supervision, and never grow out of immaturity.

Like, picture this: there's a muscular and imposing warrior in gleaming armor, covered with scars and various weapons standing next to a powerful priestess with the power to channel energy from the gods to heal the sick and wounded in an instant.  With them is a renowned sorcerer who--with a hand motion--could obliterate half the town.  And the fourth member of this elite group is... a little kid?  Hey, I think he just stole your coin purse, weren't you carrying your grocery money in there?  Looks like someone's going hungry tonight!  

There's nothing "cute" about Kender when you're plummeting down a cliff and some Tasselhoff wannabe has stolen your ring of Feather Falling.  Playing a Kender is just an excuse for a player to be obnoxious and kill the party.  I hate Kender, case closed.

The hoopack could be an interesting experiment, but don't expect me to go LARPing as a Kender with it.

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by ChuckRocks on Sep 10th, 2009 at 6:11am
Kender; from Kinder, the German word for children.

You guys make me glad I never read any of the serries.
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Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by David Morningstar on Sep 11th, 2009 at 5:02pm
I made a hoopak today in the woods with curious_aardvark and slingbadger. A forked staff rigged as a staff sling with the retention cord tied on one fork and the release cord loop slipped over the other fork. It worked perfectly well. I want to look further into this because a hoopak can deliver a rifled cast if the release angle is right.

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by curious_aardvark on Sep 11th, 2009 at 7:54pm
he did too - and I had lots of fun with it :-)

(but I didn't do this  with it)
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Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Thomas on Sep 11th, 2009 at 10:45pm

David Morningstar wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 4:12pm:
There was a guy who used a forked branch to make a staff-sling hoopak, in the pic below. The center cord is shorter than the other two so as the pouch goes 'over the top' it pulls on the back of the pouch and rolls the ammo out of the front.


That hoopack thing with the sling cords works very much like my captive release cord staff sling. Mine has just the (2) usual cords with the "release" one split near the front dump pouch. The broom handle staff is 5 ft long and the cords are both about 27 in long. The cord to staf attachment points are about 1-1/2 inches apart and adjustably angled to the staff. This thing throws golf balls much faster than my regular captive release slings, and with perfect but minimal backspin.


       

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Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by jax on Sep 30th, 2009 at 12:43am
Thomas,

 Can you elaborate,or give more pics/video?

        Brett

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by curious_aardvark on Sep 30th, 2009 at 6:19am
lol that is neat.
Captive pouch staff sling, ingenious.

But I have to admit I've really taken to my hoopoo.
Among other things it's brilliant for heading phoenix off when she decides to go after other dogs :-)



Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Samurismallz on Nov 26th, 2010 at 10:49pm
Hoopaks had relatively short slings on one end, and were iron-shod at the other.  The iron shod part was slightly pointed, and when you spun the hoopak, it made a high pitched whining noise.  In Dragons of Autumn Twilight, the hoopak is described fully.  Tasslehoff scares the crap out of Tanis and Flint with the whining noise at the beginning, then the hoopak is described.

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by hybrid_throwback on Nov 27th, 2010 at 9:02am
Steals your hoopak and then says "oh? is that yours? I was just keeping it safe... I found it laying around on an inn-table where any thief could have taken it!"

They were reasonable books. Hardly highbrow but not quite as cheesy as Terry Brooks ;) In most places surpassed Tolkein but then I never tried to read anything other than "Dragonlance Tales" NOT by the original authors.

I always envisioned, based on the text, the hoopak to look like a giant lacrosse club with a "stem" carved into a flattish ellipse... wider, rather than deep... for producing the bullroarer sound. hard to make a bullroarer from a round branch and some bits of string ;) it usually takes around 40 cm x 6 cm x 2cm of hardwood here. Anything less than 2/3 of that and the sound will never escape the valley you find yourself in.

Okay books... read the first 6, and then some... but probably by now firmly in the dated era of airbrushed robots and blacklight posters :P




Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by curious_aardvark on Nov 27th, 2010 at 12:11pm

Quote:
and when you spun the hoopak, it made a high pitched whining noise.

I can do that :-)

Haven't tried it with the hoopoo, but I can do it with a staff.

Title: Re: the Hoopack
Post by Samurismallz on Nov 27th, 2010 at 2:00pm
That is probably the rushing sound you get when you spin/swing something quickly.  The hoopak made an eerie sound that is so high it makes the hairs on your neck stand straight and makes you crap you pants.  This is a sound mender use to chase away bears and wolves from the high pitch.  I doubt you can do that with a normal staff.  I don't even think that's possible.

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