Heres a picture of my MG I made years ago . I'm interested in other designs others have made . The chain is exactly 2 feet long . Its made out of a dogs choke chain . How did you make yours ? 8)

http://www.slinging.org/images/juergensen/MAP0001.JPG

Looks great  ;D Another project for me to do  ;D i think i have one of those chains lying around here  ::)

Back when I made this, 34 years ago, I couldn't find size 3 machine chain. The links are about the same size but not bent as to lie flat on dogs neck . Sze 3 machine chain Hurts better  ;D

again no idea where i can get my hands on that so i'll just go with the dog chain for now :P

Mine lasted 34 years . Go for it  :D

One of my favorite demos was smashing beercans filled with water . If I hit the can right it rips it in half . Watch out for ricochets. Put can on something like a string or stick :o

oh i will how did you make the handles/weights ?

I did it by grinding on a grind stone wheel . Nowdays I'd use a lathe and then sandpaper . Square or rectangle shaped weights are pretty common . Have you heard of the book Spike and Chain ?

Heres a picture od one stenny made out of off the shelf parts.

How do I fix the picture ?


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the pic ain't working indeed maybe if you quoth him on it ? ;D

He made his out of large screws . The Threads were cut off and a slot made on each weight to recieve the chain . Roll pins were used to assemle . His chain was simular to size 3 machine chain . I'll let him explain more . :)

i was sortoff thinking of making my handles from big nuts and bolts i already have an idea sortoff but all exept all the help i can get  ;D

The book Spike and Chain would help a lot ;)

Here is a website.   Do you need a book ?

http://robertg.com/masakiryu.htm

that might be true but again where do i get it  :-/

you guys have all the good books and stuff :(  :P

ow there :P thx  ;D

Fritz, you need to put a [/img] after the URL. Here is the picture:

http://www.slinging.org/stennyMG.jpg

EDIT: You have the wrong URL. There is no image at the URL you gave.

Oops no picture . Chris help me please ? :P :-/ :P

Okajga guys, I'm here and my manrikigusari is with me!

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/1623/mvc378x5ks.th.jpg

Yeah it wooorks!

that looks pretty good  ;D i'm going to give that a go For sure  ;D

Be careful, it is going to give itself a go at you if you aren't...

carefull ? i know  ;D i have more self induced scars then any other scar really  :-/ misadventures with whips and stuff like that ;D also i nice one across the thumb of a new knife wich is a good reminder how Not to throw :-[

Cool MG Stenny !

Taiki yes do be carefull . I don't want to lose any friends 8)

:-[ look what you've done you gone and made me blush :-[

Thats good Taiki. That means blood is flowing to your head....and brain ;D

I'm not worried anymore ::)

Brain ?  :-/ me is un familiar with this concept pray tell what is brain??  ;D

Aiiieeeee ! Its the grey matter that leaks out when a head gets lambasted (an american term) 8)

We could use a better close up of the weight connection on stennys MG . Its simular to another MG I got. I"ll upload another picture :)

Simplest way to make a manriki is to attach a couple master locks to a dog chain. If you're accosted by the cops - yes, in certain places carrying martial arts weapons is illegal - you can just say it's your bike lock. The length of the manriki is dependant upon the person who it belongs to. With one of the weights in your hand, your arm out straight, the far end of the other weight should just reach your shoulder socket - this way you won't nail yourself in the head if you jack up and it pops back at you. At least, that's the way I learned it.

for that link it should be something like this:

http://www.slinging.org/stennyMG.jpg

edit:  ...or not.  well yes perhaps it would be better to qoute him for the pic.

Is there a technique to use a manrikigusarri?

there is a very nice book called spike and chain that depics several nice ways of using the MG and the basic throwing styles for shuriken

you could pm fritz the cat your mail adress for a copy or euhm me if gmail handles the size :P i'll get back to you on that in a pm  ;D

theres a technique for everything...You just have to find it. Easer said then done i might add ;D

Very true and i'm not sure ofa way to get that damned book true *wonders how he got it from fritz again in the first place*

That's eeaaasy! Fritz scanned it, I PDF'ed it and now it's in circulation! I can send it to somebody too, no problem...

Thanks Taiki.
FTC, what did you make the handles of your mg out of?

A few years ago, Black Belt magazine ran an article on the "Manri-Key".   Essentially, a dog chain with split rings on each end, and a bunch of keys attached to same for the weights.

I played with one for a bit, quite effective.  And you could always claim it's your key-ring....

Of course, many of us naughty old coppers know all about such things; padlocks have been a motorcycle-gang favorite weapon for many years.

Interestingly, after I read the article mentioned above, I noticed several of our housekeeping staff walking around with arrangements of keys like that.   As far as I could tell, it was just coincidence; none of them seemed to have any idea you could use the thing as a weapon.

If I remember correctly, very similar thing was pictured in Cold Steel pamphlet about old style Urban Pal(chisel ground and no Kraton) -  bunch of keys and about 12" of thin chain with sheath for Pal on the other end. You can draw the push knife and then flail with the keys in your second hand...

Thanks for the book, Stenny.

Cold rolled steel , 1018 . Ground to shape on hand grinder . There are better ways but back then I only had a grinder .

I'm back at square 1 as my son absconded  with all my metalworking tools for his project  :-/

Stenny , my computer or email function is screwd up . I got the resend of KWJ . Thanks . Its a better copy :D

Hi Fritz, long time no see! I am glad you like the KWJ. I hope you will mend the e-mail soon!

I saw one of these in a BUDK catalogue  :D! Maybe I'll try making one myself. Kind of reminds me of Kau Sin Ke metal sectioned whip.

If you would want to buy one, watch out for the joining of chain and handles - this part is very, very weak on many commercial-made manrikigusaris and can give you a nasty surprise by breaking in the worst possible moment.

This is true . I got a horror story of my old MG that came apart at the wrong time. No one got hurt but it sure raise some eyebrows....

Does it matter if the chain is a choke chain that is designed to lay flat on a dog's neck? I found one that would be about the length of my arm if I used Masterlock handles.

Well, the choke chain will work, but it can behave a bit strangely - it doesn't have the same torque resistance on both sides. Use size 3 machine chain if you can. It also hurts better when using trapping/crushing/squeezing techniques :-X.

This is true . Choke chains are desiged to lie flat and not cause bruises . Number 3 machine chain is best . I can assure you it hurts real good.  OWWW ! : )

Does it help to have previous training in martial arts?

it helps i'm sure but that isn't stopping me swinging a weighted rope around in the same manner  :P

It helps as you can feel your opponents balance in grappleling situations . Swinging the MG is good if you know the OW! points on the body .: )

With manrikigusari, everything is an OW point. I know :-X. But it is true that getting hit into bone is pure agony, while getting hit into muscle is only impure agony...
Having some training under your belt is helpful. At least you can suprise somebody who think you would use only the manrikigusari. It is the same like with a knife, you know - your opponent concentrates on the weapon and shin kick springs from nowhere...

Stenny, you are a true connoisseur of pain ;D

Thanks for the spell check :P

I was wondering what that is until I realized you mean connoisseur. :) Well, it's not by choice ;D.

It was a compliment . It takes pain to learn properly . The best way to learn fast :)

At least for me it is . Also practicing with a super sharp sword foucuses your mind like nothing else... :o

while i was over at the hardware store yesterday, i remembered this post and the others discussing what sort of chain to use.  i decided to check to see if they had this chain, for future reference in case i wanted to make one, and just to know what sort of chain this was.  
so i found it on their chain rack, and i was surprised at how large it was.  i expected the chain to be perhaps 1/2 as large as it is, for lightness and ease of use.  i suppose you don't even need the weights on the ends, just flail a bit of chain around.  but then again, i am sure that the weights help quite a bit

Fritz, who was it who said: Experience is a harsh teacher, but she will teach you a lot of things, God knows that she will? In case of MG, swords and similar nasties, you must make sure you can use the experience* in future, meaning you must survive the bite with enough digits and brain matter to train...
siguy, didn't you mistake the chain for some other size? No. 3 machine chain has pretty small links, about 2 cm (little over 3/4") long. That is too small and light to use without weights. You won't stop anybody with it - not if he's in an adrenaline rush. Add a weights and it will change... Kasumi, two swings, multiple fractures... :o  :-X


*Proper judgement is a direct result of experince and experience is a direct result of improper judgement ;D.

no, i made no mistake of the size (judging from your description and a double checking of the labels after seeing the size of the chain).  i have a peice of chain of similar size, and i find that it is a little painful just swinging it around my hand to make a quick knuckle duster type thing.  an idea in my head just now: i have some chain, and i can find some weights and build a manriki of my own.  what was used for weights in the first pic, and the connectors as well?  i am interested in making one of these

If I remember correctly, handles on Fritz's MG are ground from rod and connectors are made from little thingies that look like eyelets, except they are longer and don't have any threading. Fritz bent them and stuffed the plain end through the eye, then brazed it securely. Whatever you use for the connection, make sure it is more abuse-proof than anything else on the MG, otherwise you are going to put one handle on a high orbit :).

that or hopefully just deep underground
;D

Make sure the weight is made from iron, so you can bring a metal detector and dig it out with a shovel ;D.

I don't know who said that but it rings true .  Does everybody on this thread have the book "Spike and Chain" ? It has very usefull info on constructing a MG plus has pictures of more .

I've found that a MG with weights like a handle hurts the hand less when swinging and impacting targets. I have a MG that has weights close to a ball shape. Hitting anything with it causes pain to the hand from the links . A weight 3.5 inches or so avoids this problem . My MG has dimensions simular to the one described in "Spike and Chain"

If you need a PDF format copy of the book leave your email address in a private messsage to me or perhaps stenny .

I've got problems with my computer and need a good program to fix it thus there are several members on this site that can supply a copy . If not I'll send one ;D

Stenny isn't kidding when he says to bring a shovel. If one comes apart in your hand just hope it doesn't hit someone in the head. You'll need a big drill then :o

I tried to view the Spike and Chain book through Adobe Acrobat, and it says that the path does not exist. I did get a look at it when I downloaded it, though. Very good illustrations.

" The path does not exsists" sounds a bit like a Zen riddle . ;)

You can read the book right ? I hope so as there was a lot of work into PDFing the book .

If you need  another "clean" copy let us known as something strange could have happened to your copy .

I'll ask Thor for help  8)