Well I was wondering if there were any good poison recipes/plants anyone knows of. I am especially looking for a primitive kind, like I could simply find a plant and make the poison. Preferably a plant that grows in the NE U.S. area, maybe common. I have holly, and I know that it is poisonous, at least if it is eaten, and I have stinging nettle, so they may give you ideas. Thanks in advance  :D Oh and don't worry I'm not planning to kill anyone with them!  :P

I have studied plants extensivly for years. The inside of a peach pit contains massive amounts of Cyanide. Apple seeds on the other hand only contain small amounts of it. Oleander causes lung pyralisis. Morning glory will cause halusinations. The list goes on and on and you can find all the info you want in your public library. Just look up "poisonous plants".

Hmm, interesting....... [ Evil laugh ]

take poop preferably horse then cook till it becomes liquid pull ouy all the extra stuff like hay ect. the coat a knife spear whatever and that will pretty much kill with in 5 min

I dont think that would kill in 5 minutes. Might eventually give them gangrene and they die, but not 5 min. Use deadly nightshade berries, preferably purple, for killing stuff. Dont know what you want to kill, but whatever

I'm in martial arts and my guro taught me this:

Take some of your own feces and urine, whisk it in a cup and leave for 5 days in the sun. Afterwards, coat your blade with it then, of course, wash your hands. He said the the bacteria is so bad the it works in three minutes, but i haven't tried it.

Hi,
Morning glory although it causes hallucinations, is not strong enough in any part of the plant to make a blade poison. I'm quite sure of this because I grow and use these seeds myself.
Coating your blade with piss and poopy would work to cause infection but I have high doubts about 3 or 5 minute kills. But it does work. It was a common tactic of the Viet Cong to coat punji stakes like this.
I have read a couple of times that the sap of the Yew tree is quite poisonous and it is believed that it was used to coat arrow heads in medieval times. It might be worth looking into but I'm not sure if the Yew grows in North America.
Another possibility would be wolfsbane. This is highly poisonous, only 1/15 of a gram of leaf material ingested can cause death in an adult. Mixing the crushed seeds (these often have the highest concentrations of chemicals in a plant) with fat should provide an adequate medium for coating a blade with poison. You could also try looking at Monkshood, hemlock or the various datura species.

then of course you've got ricin which is refined from the castor oil plant and will kill within minutes.

The most virulent bacteria in the world are produced in the saliva of the komodo dragon and while it's pretty much uncurable it will take hours or days to kill.
Bacteria themselves aren't dangerous it's the toxins they excrete.
The worst being anerobic bacteria which produce botulinus toxin.
If you ever open a tin can and there is a strong smell of rotten eggs - throw it away immediately as anerobic bacteria metabolise sulphur and hydrogen sulphide is a common by product as well as botulinas toxin and others of that familiy.

The biggest problem and best reason to leave well alone as far as poisons go is the EXTREMELY high risk of self contamination.  

Read up on them by all means but I'd advise against making any unless you are very well versed in laboratory techniques and have some kind of hygiene fetish.
There are numerous cases through the ages of poisoners who have inadvertently poisoned themselves.

Plus it's about the most dishonourable weapon there is :-)

There are tons of poisonous plants in the NE. I do classes on plant uses. Just a few are
Baneberry
Wild Hydrangea ( the worst)
 Hellebore
 Nightshade
 jimsonweed
 Fly Agaric mushroom
 Shaggy mane mushroom, when combined with alcohol- my prefered way of poisoning someone
  Hoarse chestnut
heheheh

intresting point on the old fly agarics - for anyone who doesn't know fly agaric is the classic large toadstool (toadstools and mushrooms are the same thing)  with red top and white spots.
Anyway what it does is intoxicates you. The vikings used to feed it to their servants and then drink their servants urine. As the servants kidneys & liver would filter out the worst of the toxins and just leave the stuff that made you feel drunk and powerful.

One of the theories is that berserkers were the vikings who'd drunk the fly agaric flavoured urine before going into battle.
:-)
It's educational this forum :-)

Im familiar with fly agaric, Ive eaten them a few times. Your tale of the vikings using them is interesting and I havent heard it before. In Siberia it was the complete opposite. The rich people would eat the mushroom while the peasants would wait for them to piss and drink that. The reason for this is that the active chemicals are not broken down by the body. In fact you can even drink the piss off someone who has drunk the piss and it will still work.
I'm not sure about the berserks using fly agaric in battle. Working out a correct dosage with them is difficult as the strengh of one mushroom to the next can be quite different. This can lead to hardly noticable effects to a complete divorce of mind and body, just what you dont need in a fight. They could have used alcohol of course, or another suggestion is one of the milder datura related plants like Henbane. Up until the middleages pilz beer used to be brewed with Henbane leaf.
But the nearest example we have to the berserks were the Amoks, who also worked themselves into a battle frenze, but because they were muslims did not ingest any drugs or alcohol.
The Amoks were so vicious that US Officers facing them asked for the caliber of their revolvers to be increased because 6 shots with their old revolvers (sorry cant remember the exact caliber) sometimes would not stop a man in battlefrenzie.

i'm not too keen in botanics,  but long ago i was searching for such a poison and i read somewhere that here in Spain they used to poison darts with aconito (aconitum napellus) I don't know wich part of the plant, or how they did to get the poison tho...

Ooh lots of replies. Thank you everyone.
Kold, peach pits eh? I have a lot of those. I'll research and find out more.
Then, I'll have to try that strong poop and urine mixture. It could be a could blowgun poison if it works that fast.

What in the world are you planning on shooting????  :-/

Aconite tubers and leaves are frequently of very poor quality, and with foreign admixture as found in market, having been gathered without regard to season, species, or quality, by the poor peasants while engaged in watching the grazing herds. The shrivelled and decaying growth of the previous year is, as compared with the recent growth, relatively feebler. The aconites were well known to the ancient Greeks, Romans, and Chinese. It provided certain native tribes of the East with an active arrow poison. The root should be collected in winter or early spring; the leaves just before the blossoming period, or when the plant has but partially bloomed. The virtues of aconite remain intact upon drying, the whole plant being acrid and fully yielding its medicinal properties to alcohol. Various other plant species are present as admixtures, and especially, according to Holmes (Pharm. Jour., 1877), are substituted the roots of the Imperatoria Ostruthium, Linné. (European masterwort). As the latter tuber is aromatic, its detection is not difficult, though the roots somewhat resemble the aconite tubers. Good aconite is usually known by its characteristic benumbing taste. Aconite was introduced into modern medicine by Baron Störck, of Vienna, about 1762.
more info at:
http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/aconitum-nape.html

Well the simplest ones are: Eat the apple of Datura or consume much belladonna, the deadly variety.

I'm not going to kill anything (/one) so don't worry. It is just  useful  stuff  to  know   ;D

wrote on Oct 24^th, 2005 at 5:28pm:

Well the simplest ones are: Eat the apple of Datura or consume much belladonna, the deadly variety.

Yeah- belladonna is deadly nightshade. There  is a crapload of nightshade on our property, and nightshade berries kill livestock on a regular basis, as much as five or six a day. Much of the poison induced death is during the summer, when it is producing most of its berries. Actually, youd be surprised as to how much belladonna you have to eat. Only three chewed leaves off a small plant will kill a large sized adult. A whole plant will kill a 1200 pound steer, and much of a plant will kill a goat. Goats seem to digest things slower, and the fluid comes a little slower, so they seem to suffer more when they die. Nightshade kills you by filling you up with fluids and stopping your heart.

belladonna can actually be used to help headaches. Has to be prepared carefully and only one part of the plant can be used. But it works. A friend of mine uses it and I've read about it's ability to help headaches in a few books. Still I think  I would stay away from it untill someone trained me to use it :)

I agree with you Crater_Caster. I think it's good stuff to know too.

Most of the plants like that have dualities, they can be deadly or can be medicinal when used to prepared the proper way.

And Mikeel, I have kukri much like the one in your avatar!

Someone in blowgunnorthwest forum mentioned 'foxglove'.The people said it can be bought in garden shops.

yeah i heard a story about a guy killin feral pigs with foxglove

Foxglove can be bought in nurseries. It contains digitalis, which is used to restore heart rythyms medicanally. Of course, too much, and there goes your heart! :o
 Interesting thing about nightshade. Its a direct relative of toamato, potato, and eggplant. :P

Foxglove grows rampantly in parts of Newfoundland around the coast. If prepared improperly it can be quite deadly.

Potatoes have the same poison in them as is in belladonna, I think it becomes potent when the potato is beginning to rot, and I think it is in the eyes of the potato as well...but Im not sure.

or if im preparing it its deadly when when done properly

Ha ha, what are your plans for it?

What about bacteria from rotting carcass?


Are there any foxgloves in ASIA? ???

I know you said plants, but if you desire a cool pet or two then there are certain frogs that secrete hallucanigens and poisons, this was used by native americans and primitive tribes found in South America and Africa.

I believe deadly nightshade is actually in the aconite family.

Knowing what is poisonous is useful - making poisons is dangerous and somewhat pointless in todays society.

Killing something simply for the sake of killing it is wasteful and psychotic.
nuff said :-)

ok ive been doing a bit of research into this lately and I have come across a couple of historical uses of acronite (monkshood or wolfbane) as blade poison.

The first example was its use by the Ainu, an ancient people who live in the North of Japan. They made the poison by mixing the juice of the crushed roots with fat and then applied it to bone arrow heads that had a special notch to hold the poison.

The second was its use by some North American Indian tribes who used it to hunt whales. It was coated on their harpoons and the legend goes that it ws made by mixing the plant juice with the fat of dead whalers.

if u put vinegar in a lead contaner for a while it will become poisenous

Lets not forget the favorite poison of the Ninjas, made from chrysanthemums   pyrethrin.

I dunno if this is a poison but I put mushed up plaintain in an airtight container (for a poultice) and a month later I open it up and it smells horrible! Almost puked  :P! Didn't know some herbs could smell so bad.

peach pits have cyanide in them.   ;D

for the record I don't agree with the direction this particular topic is going in.
Yes there are toxic plants out there in your particular neck of the woods but you are far better off in finding them by yourself rather than asking a very public mailing list about thier use.

I'm going to go through this thread and try and prevent you guys from repeating some commonly held myths out there.

The first one is on route of entry, just becuase a agent is toxic when injested does not mean it is toxic when injected.

Marc Adkins

wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2005 at 7:27pm:

Well I was wondering if there were any good poison recipes/plants anyone knows of. I am especially looking for a primitive kind, like I could simply find a plant and make the poison. Preferably a plant that grows in the NE U.S. area, maybe common. I have holly, and I know that it is poisonous, at least if it is eaten, and I have stinging nettle, so they may give you ideas. Thanks in advance  :D Oh and don't worry I'm not planning to kill anyone with them!  :P

Grumble, the more I think about it the more I'm going to leave this bleeping thread alone.

I don't care what you are going to do with the knowledge, in the United States there have been at least two long term convictions where the convicted just isolated the compound in question.
In short I really don't think this particular topic needs to be discussed on an open list, particulalrly when certain goverments are a little paranoid about this kind of knowledge.

If ya really want to lean about this topic go to a university libary and start looking at books on Botany,Chemistry,Physiology and medicine

You'll get all you want and not have the danger of an archived thread with your screenor real name on it following you around.

Marc Adkins




wrote on Jul 9^th, 2006 at 5:58am:

for the record I don't agree with the direction this particular topic is going in. Yes there are toxic plants out there in your particular neck of the woods but you are far better off in finding them by yourself rather than asking a very public mailing list about thier use. I'm going to go through this thread and try and prevent you guys from repeating some commonly held myths out there. The first one is on route of entry, just becuase a agent is toxic when injested does not mean it is toxic when injected. Marc Adkins

Thanks or the concern. I was never thinking of using the knowledge, but was just interested. Kind of like how we make primitive weapons, but many never intend on using them for their main purpose.

I noticed that no one mentioned a very common plant that can be obtained in every part of the world....tobacco.

Dan,
a poultice, according the dictionary: A soft, moist, usu. heated mass of material applied to the skin to alleviate pain, inflammation, or irritation, to act as an emollient, or to stimulate the circulation locally; a fomentation, a cataplasm.

And tobacco is a poison in more ways.
When you make 'tea' of tobacco it is one of the strongest poisons now used in gardens, much stronger than available in the shops nowadays.
And if you drop the butts of sigarets in a little water and leave them overnight, pray that your todler when it find the cup the next day does not decide to take a taste, because a journey to the hospital is the least you can expect.
I do not remember how much tobacco it takes to kill that way, but little children can not stand a lot.

Willeke

Hemlock. It kills quickly, looks like a heart attack, and only stays in the system of about a half an hour. A very small dosage is required to kill someone. It's my poison of choice.
-Shiboo-sama

nicotine (the main active ingredient in tobacco) in high doses is extremely toxic.
It's been used as a poison on at least one detective program on telly (can't remember which one but it was quite good).

A poultice is a dressing - usually for wounds. You take your plant or plants and generally mash them up and then apply them to the affected area. If in the wild you can use a large leaft and some small vines to lash it in place. It gives you topical slow release of whatever the active ingredient(s) are.
Poultices of willow bark are quite common in primitive cultures (active ingredient = salicylic acid = aspirin)

For those who just read the last page of a recent post I'll reiterate. Unless you are well schooled in clean laboratory techniques and have a working chemical and hygiene knowledge - do not attempt to make any toxins. You wll invariably end up poisoning yourself or members of your family.

Poisons should not be idly messed with.
nuff said :-)
 

I agree with Curious-Aardvark. Do not mess with poisons/toxins without some firm knowledge of what you are handling. Go lick a Toad instead. ;D ;D ;D

Actually if one were to make a tea from tobacco, then boil it down slowly to create a tar it would cause a nicotine overdose if it were delivered to a bipeds system.

Morning glory in all respects lead to hallusinations ;D

there's plenty of venom in snakes, if you can catch them though

then the risk exists that the venom is used on you first... snakes don't like being grabbed...

Standing Wolf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2007 at 2:17pm:

Morning glory in all respects lead to hallusinations ;D

                                                                                                                           It also makes you deathly ill first. Trust me. ::)

bigkahuna wrote on Feb 28^th, 2007 at 10:11pm:

It also makes you deathly ill first. Trust me. ::)

                                                           
I always like to hear the voice of experience.  ;D