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Message started by lobohunter on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 2:52am

Title: my most air resistant sling yet/not!
Post by lobohunter on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 2:52am
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Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by solobo on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 8:47am
Most air resistant?  I'd think most aerodynamic. ;)

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by english on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 11:42am
That is what I was going to say.  I was expecting a great big fat-corded blobby pouch.

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by mgreenfield on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 12:17pm
Fine-string-sling construction seems to be a great idea, but I made a couple and they were awful to use.

No obvious performance improvement.  Lots of problems w strings tangling after every shot.  I think you have to use a cord with some resistance to bending and twisting.  I've settled on 1/8" nylon cord as "standard".

mgreenfield

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by Matthias on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 1:52pm
I like "no-twist" construction as well if I can pull it off. I wonder how the aircraft-cable "super-slings" work from this perspective. Also got me thinking about using an even stiffer retention cord with a limp release?

Matthias

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by english on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 1:59pm
I was thinking about back-spin - cords on a sling twist and spin the stone, so in a sling with smaller cords the backspin would be almost negligible.  So perhaps accuracy would suffer, or something along those lines.  The cords would have no purchse on the stone.

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by SnapCut on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 2:04pm

wrote on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 1:52pm:
Also got me thinking about using an even stiffer retention cord with a limp release?

Matthias


I have been thinking about asymmetrical slings for a long time but I haven't made one yet.  One of the things I was thinking of was using lose horse hair for the release.

What do you think?



Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by Matthias on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 2:26pm
Lol, I think BLUE fonts are annoying and should only be used for highlighting important sections of a post! ;D

English - I tend to agree. I still think that the super thin cords might be best used with a slightly elongated leather pouch for "grip". On the other hand, my 48" dyneema net sling didn't seem to have any trouble putting (poorly oriented - just like all my throws) spin on a slippery golf ball, so who knows?

Matthias

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by Thomas on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 2:32pm
I see nothing wrong with slightly heavier twist resistant cords say halfway and then thinner up to pouch. Air resistance  increases dramatically in proportion to length. Or heavy retention cord and lighter one for release?

The blob at the  far end is another culprit To deal wih.

Thomas  

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by lobohunter on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 3:56pm
yeah I relized my error in title than you for being nice.
second; I don't have much of a tangling problem. that may be because i use a very wide grip. index and thumb on release node and retention loop on ring finger with the string going over and ouside the pinky. I fell into this grip because of a mismade sling and i really enjoy it.
third; i did have a small amount of troble with the pouch
but that has been solve with a strap weaved across the midde

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by mgreenfield on Sep 23rd, 2004 at 5:04pm
....lobohunter, with that  wide grip you should pitch some pretty football spirals with ellipsoid ammo if you release with your palm forward!   mgreenfield

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by solobo on Sep 24th, 2004 at 1:48pm
My grip's almost the same as yours, lobohunter, except that the retention cord goes under middle finger and over index, making a very narrow grip.  I'll have to try you way too, to see how I like it.

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by lobohunter on Sep 24th, 2004 at 3:18pm
what are the advantages of a narrow grip other than possibly holding the ammo in better

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by solobo on Sep 24th, 2004 at 7:39pm
less air resistance, and... that's about it.  I mostly use it because its more comfortable for me cause I'm used to it.  
I tried your way today---couldn't get used to it.  

Title: .Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by mgreenfield on Sep 24th, 2004 at 8:55pm
New (wide) grip takes a little getting used to, but may give cleaner releases because cords arent twisted around each other at time of release.   When we did some slinging together, archeorob shot stop-action pics that verified this.

I had a heck of a time combining nwmanitou's overhand style with a wide grip, but finally did it.

On the other hand, a narrow grip seems to give a very slightly more "snappy" release.   But I'll give up some snap for a "mini-rocket" look on launched ellipsoid ammo.

Right now, I'm getting good snap and pretty consistent spin with a toggle on the retained cord, and the cord exiting my fist between ring and bird fingers.

If ammo is falling out of the pocket when you use a wide grip, you may need to use a longer (not wider) pocket.  I think the ammo tends to roll back and forth in the pocket when you use a wide grip, and the wider the grip, the more the roll.

Other than that, practice, practice, practice.

mgreenfield

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by Matthias on Sep 24th, 2004 at 9:03pm
OK, these continued mentions of archerob's stop-action photos are driving me nuts! Any leads on when or where they may show up? Enquiring minds want to know!

Matthias

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by lobohunter on Sep 24th, 2004 at 9:47pm
mgreenfield:I have also included nwmanitou's overhand style with a wide grip and after fifty or so throws in the dirt in front of my target (4x4 chunk of stryafoam)am now sending pretty little spiral footballs at into the target I am practiceng short about 35yards but the six ounce egg sinkers are impressive when they hit .
I bought a coffee can full of them at a garage sale about  a year ago I was going to melt them down
but they are great for my back yard shooting gallery

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by mgreenfield on Sep 25th, 2004 at 8:41am
I think archeorob must be very busy.  No postings, no emails, no nothing from him since I saw him Aug5.

6oz lead eggs pitched point first!!  That's very heavy "artillery" that I'm sure would make you a very popular recruit in any ancient Roman division.   3oz is plenty for me to pitch!

I'm beginning to think the "ultimate" setup includes: nwmanitou's overhand, David's retained cord toggle, wide grip, ellipsoid ammo.

mgreenfield

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by lobohunter on Sep 25th, 2004 at 8:58am
where do i find the cord toggle?

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by solobo on Sep 25th, 2004 at 1:10pm
Nwmanitou's style is what I use, too.  I'll have to try the wide grip some more, too: I know it'll work better once I get used to it, especially when throwing for distance, which I want to get good at.  I'm just impatient.  
The toggle is just a little piece of wood that you hold instead of a loop around your finger, right?  

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by mgreenfield on Sep 25th, 2004 at 6:10pm
For a toggled sling pic, go to the gallery page 1, and about 1/2 way down you'll see pics by Glen G.

Also, I may be wrong in my reference.  I could have sworn it was David_T that was the original toggled sling guy.  It may have been walkingbird.   Sorry.  mgreenfield

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by David_T on Sep 25th, 2004 at 9:24pm
I think it is Walkingbird who uses the toggle

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by WalkingBird on Sep 29th, 2004 at 5:23pm
Yes, WalkingBird does use a toggle. You can see what my latest slings look like under the topic heading "Dacron line".  Hope  helps


WalkingBird

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by WalkingBird on Sep 30th, 2004 at 5:14pm
mgreenfield


Quote:
I'm beginning to think the "ultimate" setup includes: nwmanitou's overhand, David's retained cord toggle, wide grip, ellipsoid ammo.


To which I would only add "lead" ellipsoid ammo.

WalkingBird

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by solobo on Sep 30th, 2004 at 6:43pm
My setup has, let's see, only one of those: nwmantous style!   ;D  Maybe that's why I can't hit the broad side of a barn... :-[ ;)  
I've had a lot of trouble with my rocks falling out when I use the wide grip.  Any suggestions to fix this?  Currently my pocket is about 3.5 inches by 2.5 inches, oval shaped.  

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by WalkingBird on Sep 30th, 2004 at 8:17pm
solobo

My pockets are 5.5" long and 1.5" wide. That may just be the problem.

The other thing you can do is try standing inside the barn!   ;D ;D

Well.... anyway a wide grip takes only a little getting used to. I'm sure you can do it with a longer pocket and some pratice.

WalkingBird


Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by Thomas on Sep 30th, 2004 at 8:45pm
With the wide grip any tilting movement of the hand is duplicated by the pouch. Practice a lot.

Thomas    

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by mgreenfield on Sep 30th, 2004 at 9:48pm
Yeah, my pockets are about 6" long & 2"wide, made out of 2 strips of leather about 7"long & 1"wide, crossed in the middle to give the pouch a little cup shape.

With a wide grip the ammo "sloshes" back and forth in the pouch.  The wider the grip, the more the sloshing.   You can see this in slow-motion if you get somebody to swing the pouch around your fist as you slowly go through your delivery moves.

If done right, the cords are almost exactly parallel, and the ammo is dead-on point forward at the time of release.  When you let go of the release cord the ammo rolls out of the pocket and keeps spinning as it flys.

Truly a thing of beauty to discerning slingsters :D    mgreenfield

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by english on Oct 1st, 2004 at 4:41am
I use a split pouch, single overhand swing release (or single underhand release for range) and I use pretty much regular beach stones.  But I don't suck.  Well, not as much as you'd think.  I'll give the "ultimate set-up" a go though - it does sound about right. But when I've used clay shot, I haven't been really satisfied with it, and I won't even try lead.  Everyone has their own way, to be sure, although some are undoubtedly superior to others.

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by lobohunter on Oct 1st, 2004 at 9:42am
well I have now added the toggle to my set up. It feel like you have more control than the retension loop.
 I am still on my search for my perfect sling. I own about ten now. in deffernt styles and shapes and materials. I have not quite got what I am looking for yet. But my prefered lentgh seems to be from 34 to 42 inches. I like a nice long pouch with a bit of diamond shape. I defently prefer leather on peice slings. now the wide grip thing is just great.I am pitching some pretty nice spirals. I have learned that the sling dooesnt seem to make that big of a differnce. as long as the ammo stays in the pouch. and the strings don't tangle to much.
now the style and the grip make all the differnce in the world.

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by solobo on Oct 1st, 2004 at 10:17am
I'll have to try a longer pocket.  With those cord retention loop things can you still get the spiral?  What do you think of them?

Title: Re: my most air resistant sling yet
Post by lobohunter on Oct 1st, 2004 at 3:56pm
I personally can get a spiral from either a loop or a toggle.
but the toggle does seem to let me turn my hand over easier which for me makes a more consistent spiral release

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