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Aug 28th, 2020 at 11:49pm
 
I really appreciate slings made of purely natural fibres, as I think it helps to feel more connected with the 'roots' of slinging, however there is one significant flaw that stands in the way of using them frequently... the 'tassel'
Within an hour of slinging, the ends of my release cords had deteriorated to such an extent, that it rendered them useless until repair. They were braided from loose sisal fibre.
This tells me that I must be doing something wrong, as I am sure ancient slingers must have found a 'remedy' to this problem.
I know release knots could be employed, but I want to find a remedy for smooth cords. + historical accounts talk about the "cracking" of slings
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Reply #1 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 12:22am
 
I think you already ansered your question  Wink
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Reply #2 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 1:22am
 
walter wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 12:22am:
I think you already ansered your question  Wink

Perhaps, if it weren't for the fact that strong, thick fibres like sisal make for very uncomfortable release knots. I believe smooth cords to be a lot more versatile, in that one can throw really light or really heavy ammo equally well. I don't think a release knot can provide the same flexibility, all in one sling.
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Reply #3 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 2:31am
 
I have been doing a wall or Matthew Walker knot at the end of my release cords (but I put a tab at the end usually).  Could you just have an extra long part of the release cord and end it with a knot? So you don't use it for grip, but it terminates the cord. I tried this with my tabs, the tassel bit wears down to a nub eventually, but the knot stays in place.

I remember seeing a video from Luis that he ended his sling with a knot....

Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5n_N0yyLkQ  Watch @ 7:30
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Reply #4 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:48am
 
I sometimes mix in some horse hair at the end. This increases durability significantly.
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Reply #5 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 12:21pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 2:31am:
I remember seeing a video from Luis that he ended his sling with a knot....

Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5n_N0yyLkQ  Watch @ 7:30

I do the same thing Luis does for his slings, but I find once the fibre wears down to the knot, it will unravel.
I've recently been wondering whether some form of whipping or a line of snake knots may provide the answer.
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Reply #6 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 12:30pm
 
Teg wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 3:48am:
I sometimes mix in some horse hair at the end. This increases durability significantly.

Very interesting, that certainly seems like a great solution.
I wonder how human or goat hair would fare, or even quills?
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Reply #7 - Aug 29th, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
Well the sling I got from Luis has polypropylene weaved into the end which makes it longer-lasting. At first I wasn't sure about it but I actually really like the electric blue highlight now Cheesy I think historically they would just keep repairing them. I imagine with a lot of them being made of animal hair or natural resources they would have easy access too, it wouldn't be hard for them to spend an hour or two fixing it up.
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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 12:41am
 
Archaic Arms wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 12:21pm:
IronGoober wrote on Aug 29th, 2020 at 2:31am:
I remember seeing a video from Luis that he ended his sling with a knot....

Here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5n_N0yyLkQ  Watch @ 7:30

I do the same thing Luis does for his slings, but I find once the fibre wears down to the knot, it will unravel.
I've recently been wondering whether some form of whipping or a line of snake knots may provide the answer.


Give a Matthew Walker knot a try. It won't come loose when the ends of the fibers get short, or at least mine haven't.
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Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 12:38pm
 
This is what I've done on many of my braided slings:

I. When I get close to the end of the release cord, I snip half of the threads (Turning, for example, a six-strand braid into a three-strand braid.

II. I then loop the cord back around on itself, restoring it to its previous thickness, except that now, the ends terminate in a loop, instead of frayed ends. I then simply continue braiding until one of the loops runs out, and I loop the other two through it to make a basic knot. This had held up fairly well on my slings.
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Reply #10 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 3:16pm
 
Captain_Twine wrote on Aug 30th, 2020 at 12:38pm:
I. When I get close to the end of the release cord, I snip half of the threads (Turning, for example, a six-strand braid into a three-strand braid.

II. I then loop the cord back around on itself, restoring it to its previous thickness, except that now, the ends terminate in a loop, instead of frayed ends. I then simply continue braiding until one of the loops runs out, and I loop the other two through it to make a basic knot. This had held up fairly well on my slings.


Interesting! I was thinking of backsplicing the braid, this seems much faster and easier. Thanks for sharing!

By the way a drop of superglue on sewing is what I used last time, even this can't survive forever...
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Reply #11 - Aug 30th, 2020 at 6:49pm
 
Captain_Twine wrote on Aug 30th, 2020 at 12:38pm:
This is what I've done on many of my braided slings:

I. When I get close to the end of the release cord, I snip half of the threads (Turning, for example, a six-strand braid into a three-strand braid.

II. I then loop the cord back around on itself, restoring it to its previous thickness, except that now, the ends terminate in a loop, instead of frayed ends. I then simply continue braiding until one of the loops runs out, and I loop the other two through it to make a basic knot. This had held up fairly well on my slings.


Picture please. I think I understand what you are doing with the strands, but I don't understand the knot that you end up using...
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Reply #12 - Aug 31st, 2020 at 4:52pm
 
Sarosh wrote on Aug 30th, 2020 at 3:16pm:
Interesting! I was thinking of backsplicing the braid, this seems much faster and easier. Thanks for sharing!

By the way a drop of superglue on sewing is what I used last time, even this can't survive forever...


No problem! Thank you; I'm glad I could contribute.

Here's a more step-by-step explanation of what I did:

You start with a braid as normal. (fig. 1)

When you reach the point where you want to begin to end the cord, you snip one half of each grouping of thread, and looping the remaining end into where the snipped end would go, in sequence. (figs. 2-5)

Continue braiding as normal. (fig. 6)

When one of the loops becomes too small to braid (in this case the white), send the largest loop (in this case the red) through it, and pull tight. (fig. 7)

I hope this helps!
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Reply #13 - Aug 31st, 2020 at 7:05pm
 
Ok, That is what I thought you meant, minus pulling the last cord (red) through. I'm surprised that configuration holds. I've tried similar things with the free ends, but the only way to get it to hold was to use a crochet hook and pull the ends back through the cord several times.
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Reply #14 - Sep 1st, 2020 at 2:59pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Aug 30th, 2020 at 12:41am:
Give a Matthew Walker knot a try. It won't come loose when the ends of the fibers get short, or at least mine haven't.

Thanks for the suggestion!
Do you do the 2-strand or 4-strand version?
The 4-strand version looks like it would make for a very functional and aesthetically pleasing release-knot as well.
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