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Aug 6th, 2020 at 4:24pm
 
I've recently taken an interest in stick fighting. One very good reason for this is because it's CHEAP (find stick, cut stick to size, swing it around). But also because there appears to be a vast number of martial traditions that employ the humble stick, from Filipino martial arts to Western singlestick and cane fighting. Most of them appear to have had origins in sword fighting of one form or another, which then evolved into a stick when carrying a sword was no longer practical or outright illegal.

Anyway, I came across an interesting book on the topic, The Art and Science of Sticking Fighting by Joe Varady. It appears to be a good book for self-training and exploring a weapon-based art during the COVID pandemic (I know there are varying opinions on this, but I for one will not be entering a gym anytime in the near future). The writer's "style" of stick fighting, if you must/ want to call it that, appears to very much be his own method, drawing on eastern and western traditions. As a former karate guy, I find it rather refreshing to study this kind of stuff without adherence to a specific tradition or style.

I just thought I would post this little story here and see if it sparks any discussion on the topic. I'm especially interested to hear if anyone has experience with the stick-fighting arts.
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Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 9:24pm
 
Check out Kali center videos.
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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 11:43am
 
ghost0311-8541 wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 9:24pm:
Check out Kali center videos.


Yes, I've seen his stuff. He has a lot of content there.
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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 3:36pm
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZAqwBh2PK0&feature=youtu.be

I thought this to be a very interesting video on the cane fighting method from France. At first glance the techniques seem very awkward, with the straight arm and cane. I imagine it's one of those things that makes more sense as you develop some skill with it.

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It's just one of those style things that makes no sense. Tongue
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Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2020 at 11:10pm
 
One of my obsessions is finding an oak sapling that’s just the right size for a proper traditional oak shillelagh (NOT blackthorn!) with the root ball as the knob.

I still haven’t found a baby oak I’m willing to kill for a cool stick.
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Reply #5 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 5:55am
 
Waxwing_Sling wrote on Aug 7th, 2020 at 3:36pm:


are they sword substitutes? I feel like these light sticks would be useful only for head strikes. quarterstaff, club or something heavier would cause more serious damage to other body parts as well.
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Reply #6 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 12:36pm
 
That looks like a form of small sword fighting, just with sticks. 

I think if you took some form of saber or HEMA fighting, most of the moves would transfer to stick fighting, although I would want a slightly heavier stick for more damage from the impact. 

If I hit someone with a stick, the charges will be assault with a deadly weapon, whether it's a skinny stick or a thick stick.  So, I might as well use a thicker stick and be the person who has to hire a lawyer to avoid jail. 

Instead of hitting them with a skinny stick and ending up looking like a lollipop with a stick jammed up my butt.
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Reply #7 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 12:58pm
 
First weapon out in the wild I'd make if I was alone would be a long, pointy stick
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Reply #8 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 1:18pm
 
One of my favourite YouTubers recently did a video on making a stick. You should all check out his videos by the way, he really makes great stuff.

https://youtu.be/Sodeng1U9Mg
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Reply #9 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 5:54pm
 
Still need to make a decent hunting boomerang, feel like it’s very underrated small game hunting tool.
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Reply #10 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 7:32pm
 
Kick wrote on Aug 9th, 2020 at 1:18pm:
One of my favourite YouTubers recently did a video on making a stick. You should all check out his videos by the way, he really makes great stuff.

https://youtu.be/Sodeng1U9Mg


I just watched some bits and pieces of his videos. Quite calming and great to watch.
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Reply #11 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 10:00pm
 
One of our old school members went big into throwing sticks or Kylies. They are truly an underrated weapon. A good throwing stick is far easier to kill small game with than a sling. Also quite a beautiful work of craftsmanship if made right.
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Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2020 at 10:04pm
 
Indigenous Australians make a very good case for throwing sticks, boomerangs and alike, they’re able to take out animals like kangaroos with neck breaking throws. Not just a small game weapon in trained hands
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Reply #13 - Aug 10th, 2020 at 3:21am
 
IronGoober wrote on Aug 9th, 2020 at 7:32pm:
I just watched some bits and pieces of his videos. Quite calming and great to watch.


Considering he is just one guy that does all the filming and editing himself, I truly believe he's one of the best YouTubers currently for sheer quality. It's a bonus that I find his content interesting as well Cheesy He was really into making bows and traditional archery, but, due to injury, he's had to stop. Those older videos are really informative all the same.
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Reply #14 - Aug 10th, 2020 at 8:31am
 
There is also cane fighting Some of the damage you can do to the guy with the crook is devastating, and painful.
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