I am playing around with ultralight thin efficient slings (convential ones not Y), but
it makes controlling the rotational axis very hard as the cords offer no resistance to torsion.

I am also having a hard time retaining stones with them using a wide grip, not because of torsion instability in the pouch (solved this with a cradle set up) but because of the cord length that sways up and down with a wide grip. Then I find myself reverting back to using a pinch grip as this creates a lot of stability in the pouch but makes control of the rotational axis even worse, thus I cannot consistently produce rifled shots with it.

I still like the efficiency of thin cords but will we ever solve this problem for thin slings? is the solution to just go back to less efficient but torsion resistant Balearic slings?

yes that is another reason you cant go too long on the cords , there is little torsion resistance.
I'm trying to figure things out because I made a paracord sling and I get angles of attack more random than the tightly braided natural fiber slings. Maybe if I improve in the paracord low torsion then it will benefit my control with the better torsion slings.

you'll have to find the mean and that is personal. I like thin tightly braided split pouches, right now it's the best choice for me for performance ,accuracy , lifetime. I want more lifetime(thicker) but that would get in the way of the other two and that I dont like, I'm performance over lifetime. I had slings that lasted a month and that didnt bother me because they were performing good and others that lasted many more shots but didn't like them and used them for tossing around very abrasive ammo or for warm ups.

My solution to this problem was to shorten my slings considerably so that I can have relatively thick, stable cords. Because I believe you are bio-mechanically limited to how fast you can throw with short slings, you can make them thicker without losing power for the most part. I still make my slings a lot lighter than Luis's though, as they are designed for a giant!

Sarosh wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 2:19pm:


We know how a sling should be positioned on release for a proper rifled spin.

Attaining this pouch-orientation becomes harder and harder the more flexible, thin and long the sling is, for the reasons we stated.

Understanding this explains why thicker slings were generally favored, it is no longer a mystery why many feel more ''control and consistency'' with a thicker sling. This phenomenom becomes perfectly explainable.

Yet, thinner cords are more efficient for slings, there's no doubt about this. But the increased effiency seems to go hand in hand with decreased consistency, thus more chaotic erratic shots, althought they will fly harder, further and faster, and occassionally the perfect release even on an ultra long thin convential sling with a tiny glande will succeed. But doing it consistently is...not really possible.


Since the pouch orientation on thin efficient long slings cant properly controlled anyway, we might as well exclude a ''pouch orientation feature'' from the sling.

And as a result we get the story of the Y-sling and the spherical projectile.  I think, thin efficient cord lovers will feel right at home with Y-slings.  There is really no reason for thick cords to exist on Y-slings as there is with a convential slings. The fact that convential slings are generally preferred with thicker stiffer cords tells us a lot about the nature of the device. Is the convential sling really a sling at the truest sense of the word, or something different?

Ah here it is

Apex-apoc wrote on Sep 13^th, 2017 at 8:07am:


http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1504704106/47#47

This is the first time I read this post.  What Apex says here is interesting. With ''hunting sling'' he is referring to a Y-sling, that I know from his previous posts.
It's almost scary because what he is saying is totally in line with my thinking. And I am definitely not trying to troll anybody.

I ordered some 20mm and 30mm steel balls so I can do better range testing with Y-sling soon.

I am not expecting to break world records but if I can break my own record I know it works. I live below sea-level so world records are not going to be broken here.

jauke wrote on Jul 29^th, 2020 at 10:56am:


I cant see how you'll be able to differentiate the results you'll get from y vs traditional slings using steel BBs.  steel bbs are very smooth I expect similar release friction from both designs, spin orientation will have very little impact on trajectory because of the smooth spherical shape and the high density.