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Jun 28th, 2020 at 1:18pm
 
   If this isn't my first post, it's the first one from me that I could find.  It's amazing how green and ignorant I was.  I was using only Appu-slings made from leather bootlaces and Apache Style was the only one I knew.  Hey, we all had to start somewhere.

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1233159453

There's some interesting input from mrboss in this thread.
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Reply #1 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 1:36pm
 
Wow, Mr. Boss. I remember reading his posts. I don't think he's posted in a long time....Nope. 2011.

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Reply #2 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 2:21pm
 
That's cool Rat Man.  Although after reading through that topic, I have to ask.  Does anyone remember if Mr. Boss ever showed a video or map of a 300+ yard throw?  That would definitely be a great feat.
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Reply #3 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 2:36pm
 
joe_meadmaker wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 2:21pm:
That's cool Rat Man.  Although after reading through that topic, I have to ask.  Does anyone remember if Mr. Boss ever showed a video or map of a 300+ yard throw?  That would definitely be a great feat.


Nope.  There were some vids of him slinging.  He used Pirouette style and did have a lot of power, but I don't recall him ever verifying his claim.
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Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 3:36pm
 
Don't agree with how Thomas said the apache is of a most standard and natural form of throw. To me it always felt the most unnatural because of that byzantine posture at the beginning. Now turkey overhand  and general overhand and underhand too do feel a lot more natural.

There is this guy on Youtube who curses a lot and uses piroutte and extremely long slings. I believe he touched 400m with lead

I think a major factor in distance is whether or not you're slinging with or against the wind. Shots with the wind can easily travel a lot further. Same for arrows. I guess in ancient times times it could've been very advantegous if the wind was on your side during times of battle
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Reply #5 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 5:26pm
 
Jauke wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 3:36pm:
Don't agree with how Thomas said the apache is of a most standard and natural form of throw. To me it always felt the most unnatural because of that byzantine posture at the beginning. Now turkey overhand  and general overhand and underhand too do feel a lot more natural.

There is this guy on Youtube who curses a lot and uses piroutte and extremely long slings. I believe he touched 400m with lead

I think a major factor in distance is whether or not you're slinging with or against the wind. Shots with the wind can easily travel a lot further. Same for arrows. I guess in ancient times times it could've been very advantegous if the wind was on your side during times of battle


Yes, I remember him. Problem is you can't see a darn thing in his videos because it is so foggy and windy, and he uses tiny ammo. I do wonder whether or not he really did reach 400m.
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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 5:56pm
 
He may have gotten them pretty far out there. But without some type of proof all it will ever be is “maybe”. I tend to think he was getting them pretty far out there.
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Reply #7 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:07am
 
VoloundExpounds and he made a video where he calculated throws at 800m which seems... questionable honestly. I just can't see that happening even with lead and super light and thin slings. I don't know enough at the physics (and I certainly can't speak on the mathematics), but... I don't know. I'm sure he is getting them out there and may well have broken the record, but it's just so hard to verify that I think relying on the maths isn't the most accurate way of knowing. We need to see where they land.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoN4EPpCJtQ
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Reply #8 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 4:18am
 
Agreed, his claims are almost doubling actual records.
I dismissed these videos as soon as I watched them.
When it comes to distance slinging I think finding the projectile is a must and also flat ground. Anything less is a guess at best
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Reply #9 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 9:02am
 
I could see some of his claims being true slinging with the wind, lead, ultra long thin slings and a sidearm release. He also seems quite tall and flexible.
I believe those heavy beach winds can really carry the projectile 100-200 m further opposed to slinging against in it.
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Reply #10 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 9:47am
 
I personally think 800m should be achievable with lead, though certainly at the top end of possibility with a very strong slinger. He doesn't measure 800m but predicts it given the 100m/s speed I believe. The speed calculation isn't shown but if it's legit then 800m range is probably about right. A theoretically perfect projectile at 100m/s would go about 1000m, and from the slinging paper that was circulating a few years back it seemed lead glandes achieved something like 90% of the range of theoretically perfect projectiles. Now, we can't be sure how this relationship scales up to 100m/s but it's probably a fair estimate to say 800m IF you do measure a lead glande at 100m/s. It may even be closer to 900m if the 90% relationship scales.

We also have precedent of Larry Bray hitting 400m+ with a *stone* which is aerodynamically very poor compared to a lead glande and (from memory) achieves only about 50% of the range of an idealised projectile (again according to the slinging paper). I believe that if Bray had done that same throw with a lead glande he would probably have been around the 700-800m mark.

I don't think we can say for sure that 800m is being hit until we see a measured throw. It's also possible or maybe even likely (given the very high results) that his speed calculations are overestimates. However, I don't think the claim can be rejected out of hand, it seems even if his speed measurements are overestimates it's still likely he's hitting over 500m and beating the WR mark. If I saw more about his speed measurement or his speed->distance calculation it could throw more light on how reliable the number of 800m is, but I don't think it's immediately unbelievable.

I'm also taking a lot from the slinging paper, if it turns out that lead only hits 50% more range than stones rather than almost doubling the range, then 800m sounds a lot less viable and would imply significantly higher slinging power than Bray, who for my money is the strongest recorded modern slinger. Having never slung with lead I have no personal experience to compare.
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Reply #11 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 10:17am
 
mr boss was an interesting kid.
Like all teenagers he already knew everything Smiley

Amazing how the older you get the more you realise you don't know.

not sure about 800 metres, but I reckon in his prime, larry bray could have broken 600 if he'd had  a lead glande.
Hell 25 years after his record, I watched him put a golf ball over 400 metres.

At those kinds of distrances, it's almost more about being able to actually find the missile, than achieving the distance Smiley 

And like every other person who's claimed such distances as 'normal' mrboss never managed to come up with any kind of evidence.
What a surpise Smiley

If you guys want some idle reading - look up 'gronk'.
I'm 90% certain that every single thing he ever said was made up - but somehow he was convincing enough that the 10% still exists lol

I mean if I write down some of the stuff I've done and that's happened to me over the last 50 odd years.
Some of it does stretch credibility Smiley
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Reply #12 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:00pm
 
Has slinging.org become more polite compared to the early days?
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Reply #13 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 5:04pm
 
Jauke wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:00pm:
Has slinging.org become more polite compared to the early days?


Recently, say in the last year or two it’s definitely become less weird. I personally like a few interesting characters around to liven things up with random insanity. The last two I really remember were RS and Apex Apoc. Both very interesting characters that I miss lol.
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Reply #14 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 6:02pm
 
I forgot about Apex-apoc! By god that was an annoying time period. I've got to say, they added colour those particular members, but I also have far fewer headaches these days.
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