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Reply #15 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:08pm
 
Ich sah vor zwölf Jahren Jaume Darder mit einer sehr kurzen Schleuder 300m schießen. Bis dahin hielt ich das für fast unmöglich.
Das ist möglich, wenn Sie die Physik hinter einem Schuß verstanden haben. Die Stellung Ihres Rotor beeinflusst erheblich Ihre Distanz.
Ist Ihr Rotor nach vorn geneigt, geht Ihr Schuß im Spitzen Winkel nach unten.. Steht Ihr Rotor waagerecht, wird Ihr Schuß ebenfalls nahezu waagerecht fliegen. Möchten Sie sehr weit schießen, Strecken Sie Ihren Arm weit nach hinten. Die Schleuder sollte im Winkel von 45° auslösen.
Je schneller und kraftvoller sich Ihre Hüfte bewegt,desto mehr Power werden Sie haben. Probieren Sie es aus.
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Reply #16 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:13pm
 
Jaegoor, I defiantly will try that. Thank you.  I would like to keep using a short sling if I can. 

Will let you know how it goes tomorrow.
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Reply #17 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:23pm
 
Vielleicht mache ich mal ein video dazu. 😁
Schießen sie nicht site Hand. Mit overhand ist der Winkel besser. Sie nutzen optimal ihr Körpergröße.
Gibt es ein Foto von der schlinge?
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Reply #18 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:27pm
 
Shakli wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
(With the longer sling I could not feel the 30g ammo and was not able to fire it properly)


This is something NOOC can talk on. He's been using a weighted pouch to sling very light ammo and, from what I've understood, has found it to be quite successful. Throwing very light ammo can often be far harder than very heavy ammo.
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Reply #19 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 7:04pm
 
I use an 18" Balearic and recently was throwing 200g stones over the 100y mark quite easily. For 30m, I wouldn't use anything longer, as I simply don't find it necessary. It may take a little bit of practice to learn how to harness the power of the short ones though, as if you depend on the arm and shoulder for power you will injure yourself even quicker.
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Reply #20 - Jun 30th, 2020 at 2:26am
 
I agree with @WOTS. My current target sling that I use is a paracord split pouch reinforced with leather like the Balearic slings. The leather gives the split pouch the stability it needs, unlike a limp noodle split pouch that can hardly hold anything. It is just 20'' / 50 cm.

The short Balearic sling made by Luis is also around 20''. It requires a lot more energy to use though. This much nimbler paracord version throws a lot more efficiently. Especially noticeable with lightweight ammo as the weight of the slinger than matters more.


What Jaegoors say about the rotor position is true, it chances the angle of release and therefor the distance. Very fun to practice

The other sling length that I consider using is around 28'' / 73~ cm. This is my distance sling length. It is the length of the sling from hand to just above the ground. It does throw further and faster more easily. Good stones I can chuck around 150-200 meters with it, this is know from gmaps verification using reference points.

I have thrown with slings as long as a meter (retention cord length) but they didn't suit me well.
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Reply #21 - Jun 30th, 2020 at 7:23am
 
Jaegoor You are a genius!!! I could kiss you right now  Grin 
With my 50cm sling I can now easily reach 30m target and was practicing hitting a tree 40m away.  All my shots where reaching the tree with only 70% energy Smiley Smiley Smiley  2 out of 30 actually hit the tree!

Interesting note! 30g and 150g ammo reached the target with exactly the same amount of energy on my part. 

Ok now that I know how to reach 30m time to go back to working on accuracy as the longest distance that matters to me is 30m. 

Thanks so much everyone  Cheesy
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Reply #22 - Jul 1st, 2020 at 3:53am
 
Jaegoors posts and videos are very educational Shakli. I recommend going to his old posts. He has been saying the same things over and over for 10 years on this board, how he hasn't given up on us yet is a mystery

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1285662189/9

I also recommend going through this thread
http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1384638614/0
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Reply #23 - Jul 3rd, 2020 at 1:10pm
 
Kick wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:27pm:
Shakli wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 3:04pm:
(With the longer sling I could not feel the 30g ammo and was not able to fire it properly)


This is something NOOC can talk on. He's been using a weighted pouch to sling very light ammo and, from what I've understood, has found it to be quite successful. Throwing very light ammo can often be far harder than very heavy ammo.


Thanks Kick!  Here’s my engineer/physicist answer: The sling makes it easier to transfer power from your body to the ammo. Power transfer to light ammo is more difficult, and a longer sling doesn’t actually help much if the pouch is too light because wind resistance eats up all the extra energy you put into the longer sling.   Adding weight to the pouch is a way of “impedance matching” that allows for increased power transfer to the ammo at the cost of overall efficiency, because a lot of the energy stays with the heavy pouch. You put energy into the sling+pouch. Heavier ammo means more energy goes to the bullet overall, so it’s better to increase the weight of the ammo unless you are specifically trying to throw something light on purpose.

As far as my experience with weighted slings...My backyard only allows about 17 yards max, and some of the ammo I’ve been playing with is under 10g.  With a 60g tennis ball the weighted sling feels pretty weak... which simulates a longer distance throw... sort of (I think shakli started that discussion). I haven’t tried light weight ammo at longer distances, but I think the best way to do that would be the compound sling if anyone has time to figure out how to throw with one. The timing is still a huge challenge.
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