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Reply #30 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 2:39am
 
Anyone else notice the stone slipping out of the sling early at 26:40?
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Reply #31 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 3:25am
 
IronGoober wrote on Jul 24th, 2020 at 2:39am:
Anyone else notice the stone slipping out of the sling early at 26:40?


Yes, that's what happens when you have thin cords tied to a flexible pouch at the middle. They flex sideways.
If he used a cradle pouch instead he would not have that problem like on this staff sling.
Cradle pouches allow very good sideways stability even with very flexible thin slings.

I no longer use this type of staff but i still use the cradle pouch depicted here as a hand sling
It works wonderfully well even with 500G+ rocks and as a hand sling.
It made me realize that thick stiff cords are really not a neccesity for heavy rock slinging, it's the sideways stability that matters, not the stiffness or weight.
I can throw heavy rocks much further and farther with this thin cord cradle pouch sling than with a heavy stiff balearic sling of this size.

The rock depicted here is a 500g rock and I have no trouble throwing it as a hand sling pirouette style. In fact I throw it further that way than using the staff.
I only get very dizzy  Shocked
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Reply #32 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 7:07am
 
IronGoober wrote on Jul 24th, 2020 at 2:39am:
Anyone else notice the stone slipping out of the sling early at 26:40?


Yes! Stood out like a sore thumb
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Reply #33 - Jul 24th, 2020 at 7:23am
 
jauke wrote on Jul 24th, 2020 at 3:25am:
IronGoober wrote on Jul 24th, 2020 at 2:39am:
Anyone else notice the stone slipping out of the sling early at 26:40?


Yes, that's what happens when you have thin cords tied to a flexible pouch at the middle. They flex sideways.
If he used a cradle pouch instead he would not have that problem like on this staff sling.
Cradle pouches allow very good sideways stability even with very flexible thin slings.

I no longer use this type of staff but i still use the cradle pouch depicted here as a hand sling
It works wonderfully well even with 500G+ rocks and as a hand sling.
It made me realize that thick stiff cords are really not a neccesity for heavy rock slinging, it's the sideways stability that matters, not the stiffness or weight.
I can throw heavy rocks much further and farther with this thin cord cradle pouch sling than with a heavy stiff balearic sling of this size.

The rock depicted here is a 500g rock and I have no trouble throwing it as a hand sling pirouette style. In fact I throw it further that way than using the staff.
I only get very dizzy† Shocked


The sideways stability you speak of is a crucial factor for retention of large and odd shaped stones. I call it pouch rolling when the pouch rolls over and dumps the stone out sideways, and roll resistance or stability the characteristic of a sling which resists this. Seems to account for nearly all premature stone drops.

It is why I mainly favour balearic or thicker apache for larger stones. You can also replicate some of the effect by whipping either side of the pouch to increase stiffness, or using a stiff connection method. Not tried a cradle type pouch before.
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Reply #34 - Jul 26th, 2020 at 4:23am
 
I always thought that those ways were the only ways, thicker cords and such. Until I discovered the synching cradle pouch, which I greatly prefer over thicker cords for solving this problem

What always fascinated me with the Balearic videos on youtube is how close the public stand to the throwers. Here also we see the presenter stand just a few meters next to Luis as he throws. Now their slings are some of the stiffest out there and they hold stones very well even without cupping, nonetheless I would still feel uncomfortable standing so close or slinging heavy rocks so close to others with such a type of sling.
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Reply #35 - Jul 26th, 2020 at 11:53pm
 
I use a split pouch sling nearly 100% of the time (only recently have I tried out new slings). I have very rarely had a problem with stones falling out unless I have a weird wind-up. While some sling designs this can be problematic, split pouches I have used fit almost everything quite snugly.

And I was only pointing it out because I thought it was funny to have a "highlight" picture of someone throwing an errant shot. Probably put in the reel because the person didn't know much about slinging.

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Reply #36 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 12:48am
 
I Alsation donít have any issues with slipping stones, polished steel balls however are a different story, need them to be perfect
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Reply #37 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 11:18pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Jul 26th, 2020 at 11:53pm:
I use a split pouch sling nearly 100% of the time (only recently have I tried out new slings). I have very rarely had a problem with stones falling out unless I have a weird wind-up. While some sling designs this can be problematic, split pouches I have used fit almost everything quite snugly.

I found the same thing. Where I have run into problems however, is when each side of the split pouch is too narrow or slippery. Apart from that, I have found the design to suit my purposes perfectly (throwing different size river stones) without any safety concerns.
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Reply #38 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 7:12am
 
You can get good reliability with many slings, but specifically large and oddly shaped rocks will often slip out of pouches that are not stable against rolling (or that aren't long enough).

To have near perfect reliability and smooth release on all types of rocks I think is quite challenging for a sling. There are always trade-offs, and even then you might also want to consider the efficiency/weight of a sling.
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Reply #39 - Jul 31st, 2020 at 8:34am
 
I think good sling stones should be able to roll. That way they can exit the pouch accurately
nvm I see what you meant.
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