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World of Weapons.
Apr 6th, 2020 at 6:29am
 
The Smithsonian channel is running a series called the world of weapons. They analyze weapons mostly from the past and explain their advantages and disadvantages. The sling will be on the series.
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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 6:39am
 
Interesting to see what they say and who they get on to say it. I'm going to go ahead and guess it will be an archaeologist that's used a sling for 30 mins 15 years ago Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:51am
 
yeah - no-one contacted me, so they probably haven't done much research.

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Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2020 at 12:18pm
 
30 whole mins? You don’t give them enough credit. They used that thing for a  45 mins Kick. They are practically an expert.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 9:31pm
 
Watching the sling segment now. Very well researched. The slinger their using is Luis Pons Livermore, champion slinger.
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Reply #5 - Apr 12th, 2020 at 11:36pm
 
any link ??
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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2020 at 12:08am
 
https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/world-of-weapons/1006412

I found it here but I'm not able to watch it over here (still haven't got myself a VPN).
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Reply #7 - Jun 6th, 2020 at 3:46pm
 
Thanks for sharing.  This series also did an episode that had a trebuchet.  I will have to figure out how to watch this show.  I am very interested now.
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Reply #8 - Jun 12th, 2020 at 11:15am
 
I watched the series.  I thought the sling segment was great.  They had Luis make a sling, attempt to train some people with tennis balls, and they took some footage of Balearic slingers from David Morningstar's Youtube channel (I think).  But best of all, they filmed Luis throwing and had him put a stone through a chronograph, shoot a ballistic gel dummy, and put a glans (glandes) into the dummy.  I think they even mentioned the weight of the stone and the meters per second, but I can't remember how much the stone weighed.  It was going 52 meters per second I think.

I liked the trebuchet segment too.  But overall I found the series kind of bland, disappointing, and with very poor writing.  The episodes didn't tie together at all, and each episode had three different weapons which sometimes didn't tie together either.  It would have been better focused entirely on the ancient and medieval worlds.  Or at least if it had left out the 20th century.  It had too wide of a scope in trying to cover weapons from the stone age to the future and thus left out a lot of cool ancient weapons.  And the show made some attempts to moralize war by showing the human cost of the weapons, but while showing the human cost of weapons is generally a good thing, it just didn't seem to fit in with the overall narrative.  And it didn't give any single weapon enough time to be really worthwhile.  Jack of all trades, master of nothing.  A person would be better off doing their own research into things they are interested in.

The best part was the experiments and the hands-on stuff, like with the sling and the trebuchet.  But a lot of the experiments were kind of poorly designed and hasty.  They made a cannon and then shot it through a "ship" which wasn't nearly as thick as a real ship.  Especially the catapult segment was poor.  The ballista was very underpowered and weak and the bolts weren't flying properly.  They did an accuracy test and half of the shots missed a large tower shield at like 20 meters.  Then they said, "for the ancient world this is remarkably accurate."  Thus they did poor tests and overvalued their tests.

But the Mike Loades stuff was great.  Because Mike Loades.
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Reply #9 - Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:17pm
 
I just bought the episode on Google Play for $2. Worth it to watch Luis absolutely obliterate some stuff.  52 m/s at that small of a target is no joke. That's incredible.
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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2020 at 8:24pm
 
Brandon F on YouTube just made a good video talking about the series.  Maybe his breakdown of the problems with just one of the experiments (with rifles) will help to clarify what I was saying earlier about how the experimentation is poor.  The experimentation is indeed entertaining, but it could be SO much better by making it more historical and scientific.  You can't really call it either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdx0Fe5QtWM

Even the slinging segment could have been improved easily with better writing, more specific conclusions, and more scientifically conducted experiments.
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Reply #11 - Jun 13th, 2020 at 8:10am
 
IronGoober wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 6:17pm:
I just bought the episode on Google Play for $2. Worth it to watch Luis absolutely obliterate some stuff.  52 m/s at that small of a target is no joke. That's incredible.


Always knew when Luis was slinging during the competition in Mallorca.
CRACK! BANG! "Yep Luis is up again..."
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Reply #12 - Jun 13th, 2020 at 9:15am
 
52m/s with the size of stones he used is insane power.
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Reply #13 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 2:11am
 
Morphy wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 9:15am:
52m/s with the size of stones he used is insane power.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the sling and stones he was using were different than his usual setup. It looked like the sling was lighter and the stone looked smaller.  Doesn't detract from the fact that I'm not sure I could hit 116 MPH, EVER.
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Reply #14 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 6:04pm
 
IronGoober wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 2:11am:
Morphy wrote on Jun 13th, 2020 at 9:15am:
52m/s with the size of stones he used is insane power.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the sling and stones he was using were different than his usual setup. It looked like the sling was lighter and the stone looked smaller.  Doesn't detract from the fact that I'm not sure I could hit 116 MPH, EVER.


Ya with accuracy makes it even more amazing. Throwing slow and accurate is great but that degree of speed and accuracy is a whole other level.
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“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
 
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