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Reply #225 - May 16th, 2020 at 12:24pm
 
Again, I'm of a pessimistic bent. I think the real debate over whether to recommend masks had nothing to do with whether the masks themselves kept people safer but whether it would spur behavior (proper washing of hands, social distance) that WOULD keep people safer.

It worked for a bit at least here in WI. When the masks were first suggested, a lot of people  wore, the herd got skittish, people kept their distance and I'd bet washing and showering went up. But it wore off. Numbers of mask wearers (that I've seen) are going down. Was it worth it? We don't know. I think it's ultimately going to damage how much the public will obey the public health experts. Herd management is a fiddly thing.
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Reply #226 - May 16th, 2020 at 4:06pm
 
perpetualstudent wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
Again, I'm of a pessimistic bent. I think the real debate over whether to recommend masks had nothing to do with whether the masks themselves kept people safer but whether it would spur behavior (proper washing of hands, social distance) that WOULD keep people safer.


This is exactly what I think.

perpetualstudent wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:24pm:
Numbers of mask wearers (that I've seen) are going down.


I've seen this too. Or... not seen this... I've seen a lot fewer masks.
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Reply #227 - May 16th, 2020 at 6:13pm
 
Kick wrote on May 16th, 2020 at 12:11pm:
It's all just very stressful and I can just see the situation unfolding where I have to be wearing a mask for 8 hours a day for... ever.


Every time Iím in a hospital I feel bad for the nurses and doctors in there. I have such a hard time breathing in mine canít imagine spending every shift in one. Luckily thereís a solution:

https://youtu.be/j7LBBjZBcLs

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Reply #228 - May 16th, 2020 at 6:56pm
 
OH WOW!† That is remarkable in some kind of way!† Grin
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Reply #229 - May 16th, 2020 at 7:23pm
 
Lol! I know right? In her defense, sheís not wrong. It does make it easier to breathe.    Grin
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Reply #230 - May 17th, 2020 at 4:04am
 
Oh yeah I've seen that video. The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me. With wearing a mask, I'm not wearing one for my entire shift with no breaks, but with having to wear one when in contact with residents, I'm more often wearing one than not. I've found my nose and eyes have been super dry and the tie on masks ride up into my eyes and squish my nose. Basically they're awful. The ear loop ones aren't the worst but they aren't exactly fun. The really cheap Chinese ones that have been mass produced in a hurry are really bad. They're too small for almost everyone so really dig into your ears. I can't wear one for more than half an hour at the very most.
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Reply #231 - May 17th, 2020 at 4:20am
 
As I work in a shared location we are required to use mask while working this means full 8 hours with pause only for meal. My company provides 2 masks per person everyday. It is not confortable but on the other I would not return to work without everyone using them.
Although not 100% effective they do reduce the risk of contagion signicantly. That and the correct distancing and etiquette.
Here in Portugal, we start to open up and now the use of masks in shops or closed public places and transports is also mandatory and you will be finned in case of non-compliance.
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Reply #232 - May 25th, 2020 at 9:28am
 
   My state, New Jersey, is starting to lift its quarantine. This is being done for financial reasons only. We currently have 5517 cases in my county alone with 217 deaths. We are no safer than we were last week or the week before. The sad thing is that this might be completely necessary. We can't stay shut down forever. The economy might never recover. No one wants to say it but we don't have a choice. This plague will have to run its course and millions will die.
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Reply #233 - May 28th, 2020 at 11:28am
 
Not so sure RM. Itís probably not so bad that NJ is opening up. Texas has been open for about three weeks and itís not exactly the zombie apocalypse down here. 40% of all coronavirus cases in the US are in nursing homes, so as long as you donít live in one and take reasonable precautions, youíre relatively safe.
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Reply #234 - May 28th, 2020 at 11:40am
 
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/related-to-obvious-other-causes-gunshot-...

I work in an area that has probably at least a hundred covid patients. 81 from one nursing home and there are many nursing homes with patients. Iíve transported a whopping 1 patient that was for sure covid positive for breathing difficulties. Doctors and nurses all over the country are coming out and saying the data they are getting at their practices with real world covid patients (not models) shows itís about on par with the flu.

Not saying anyone should throw caution to the wind but this so far seems a lot more bark and a lot less bite. Iím very skeptical of the numbers being given. Thereís plenty of dissenting information out there but unfortunately itís all being quashed by the mainstream narrative/censorship.



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Reply #235 - May 28th, 2020 at 1:39pm
 
We passed 100,000 deaths yesterday.  Those are known cases.    Due to no testing in the general population, the US has no idea how many people have it or had it and recovered or died from it.

Supposedly, the case numbers are leveling out. 

And the purpose of the lock down was not to stop the virus, it was to avoid over loading the ICU's.  "Flatten the curve".  Remember?

Also, I think the doctors actually treating the cases have figured out several different treatments, in spite of the "experts" and their advice.
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Reply #236 - May 29th, 2020 at 3:20pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on May 28th, 2020 at 11:28am:
Not so sure RM. Itís probably not so bad that NJ is opening up. Texas has been open for about three weeks and itís not exactly the zombie apocalypse down here. 40% of all coronavirus cases in the US are in nursing homes, so as long as you donít live in one and take reasonable precautions, youíre relatively safe.


Texas doesn't have the population density of the Northeast.† We are in a hot spot. I don't live in terror of this but I won't participate in the state's reopening.† Being retired I can continue my quarantine until it's really safe, whenever that will be.† I've seen this movie before. We're far from out of the woods.
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Reply #237 - Today at 9:29am
 
I understand RM. so far, the evidence still suggests that reopening isnít making the outbreak worse, and the quarantines seem to be much worse than the outbreak. By the way... Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio all have high population densities. Texas population averages are skewed by the western half of the state... and of all places, Amarillo has been hit worse than the bigger cities.

It doesnít make for good television to bring a scientist on screen to say ďwe donít knowĒ, but the people making bold claims with certainty in the name of science are pundits, not scientists.
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