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Feb 12th, 2020 at 8:14pm
 
Iím not one to usually watch what I eat but occasionally I gorge myself and stack on a bit of weight, Iím by no means fat or really in need of any diets concerning health issues.
I have a reasonably active life both in recreation and work, so itís very very rare that I would exercise just to exercise. To me going to the gym is like paying someone else while I do work. Iíd rather work and get paid.

Any how , Iíve tried 3 specific diets and usually only do them for about a month and seem to be able to lose the weight Iím trying to. Iím currently in the process (about halfway) of one of the 3.

The first diet I tried was vegan, for me I found is quite pleasurable taste wise and had a large selection of foods to choose from, I ate generally large meals but still found myself hungry a lot of the time, after around 5 weeks I was burning out, I found myself struggling for energy and having peaks and drops in mental and physical tiredness. Weight wise I didnít Sheaís the kgs but they slowly came off.

Second diet I tried was a fasting diet. This allowed me to eat and drink whatever I want on my normal days and on fasting days just water and one fall portion for dinner. The kgs came off fast and I lost the weight much quicker than I expected. My main problem with this diet was on the fasting days I got really really hungry, would get stomach cramps at work and sometimes after a fasting day the first meal would send me to sleep.

The third diet is the one Iím currently on. The Carnivore diet, nothing but Meat, poultry, seafood, salt, pepper, black coffee and water. This diet I was very sceptical of but decided to try it anyway. First week my digestion was changing and I had serious cravings for sugar (what a drug). But now Iíve adjusted I find it to be extremely good, sleeping well , never really hungry, energy through the roof, lost weight but gained muscle, leanest Iíve been in a while, digestive system back to normal, and a lot of my old injuries arenít aching. Other than toe small selection in food choices and flavours I think this diet is really working well for me. Iíll probably give it up st the end of the month but Iím glad I tried it.

Iím going to do some more diet months throughout the year, maybe another 3, think Iíll try paleo, maybe a vegetarian with fish.

What diets have you tried and whatís been your response???
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Reply #1 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 5:52am
 
Mersa I must commend you on the discipline to follow these different diets.
The best diet is one you can sustain in the long term.
I don't know if you've thought of this but changing your diet so drastically so many times in a row may be very hard on your body. Are you weaning yourself from one to another or just one day you're all one and then another?
I think one of the things to think about is that these diets that focus exclusively on meat or veg would probably work best if trained from childhood. Since we as modern humans have become used to eating anything and everything(mostly for pleasure), it's a hard thing to give up meat or veg or even sugar entirely.
You can't miss what you never had right?
I tried going vegan and lasted 8 days some time back. Meat makes me happy and truly full and I decided to be happy lol that being said, I could never give up vegetables and fruit.
So I just try and eat good things nowadays. I also eat crappy things but I definitely make sure to get lots of good too
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Reply #2 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 6:39am
 
started keto yesterday.

Been on low carb for a while. And yes it is for health purposes.
Apparently if I can lose 10kg I won't be diabetic anymore.
I'm not convinced, but as stopping eating: chocolate, cakes, pastries, biscuits and sweets/candy - has had absolutely n effect whatsoever on my weight, drastic measures are called for.

Weight wise, I'm not grossly overweight. It's actually been going down slowly over the last 10 years. I'm a stone lighter now than I was 10 years ago.

But despite cutting out at least 5,000 empty calories a week - my weight has not dropped one iota.
Something that is incredibly frustrating.

Accordign to the doctor this is because, before I knew I was diabetic, I was piddling out maple syrup rather than urine, and that's why I never put any weight on.

A friend of ours is one of the top dieticians in the country and specialises in treating epilepsy and cancer with low carb keto diets.
So after along chat† yesterday, that's what I'm doing.

The goal is to keep my total daily carb intake below 20gms.

Given that the amount of milk most people have in a coffee has 2-4gm in and an average tomato has 8gms and most fruit has around 15gms or more.
Easy it is not !

On the other hand If I can shift the necessary weight and get back to the weight I was at college - over 30 years ago, I'm totally confident I can keep it off.
I have silk shirts I bought in china 25 years ago that are still a perfect fit.
whether or not weight loss it will effect the diabetes, remains to be seen.
You might surmise that I have zero confidence in my doctors.

A proper keto diet actually changes the way your body derives energy. By preference you burn carbohydrate, but if starved of carbs you switch into keto mode where your body starts to break down fat into keto particles that it uses for fuel.

Now here's the kicker. You not only have to avoid all carbs but you have to be really bloody careful about how much protein you eat, as your body's second choice is to convert protein into carbohydrates !

So my plan of living on meat, cheese, eggs and vitamin pills - went right out the bloody window.
The paleo diet, it is not !

So we will see how I fare.
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Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 7:47am
 
Highly recommend you try the carnivore/Keto CA
You will adjust in a week or so , Iím in keto as confirmed by urine tests. Lost 4kg in 2 weeks and feel really good , lots of fatty meats will keep you going.
Iím no dietitian or nutritionist but my experience has been good, 20g of carbs is a nice on top of a carnivore diet.

Tomas I just do these diets as personal challenges and often do sober months and other things as well as part of these challenges. Most of my diets are only short term as I said Iím only really doing them to try them
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 9:47am
 
Interesting topic.
for the past 2-4 years I have stopped eating sugar the only sugars I've kept eating are honey and fruits there where some exceptions along the way usually on celebrations but nothing too big.
The same with alcohol, there might be exceptions in some celebrations but even then I drink very little.
I was never into coffee or other beverages . Water is the best.

In the past I tried not eating any salt for a year or so, then at a check up I discovered I had a small kidney stone ( I think from too much protein breakdown ,no one knows). After that I started eating more salt and drinking more water, now I probably eat more salt than anyone I know. Soon I'm gonna do a check up to see how it's going.

Too much carbohydrates make me sleepy.
I always had low cholesterol so I never cut on eggs meat fat and cheese.
Too much vegetables create diarrhea
Too much meat creates constipation
There is a balance you have to achieve between the two .
fruits help with digestion if eaten 2-3h after a meal and after 1h I'm hungry again.
Fat, I love it! don't forget it contains vitamins so in some ways it's better energy source than pasta or other carbohydrates.
Legumes are a good protein source balanced with meat I think they complement each other nicely.
Balancing quantities for spices is a tricky one , for example I haven't found a bad side effect from putting too much pepper or curry . I'm sure there will be a side effect.

onion and garlic is awesome but I have observed that too much or too strong and my performance suffers in the gym the next day , I fell weak like having low sugar or low pressure.

I feel like some foods are like medicine you shouldn't use them everyday on every occasion.

there is this guy https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqYPhGiB9tkShZorfgcL2lA/videos
who talks about diets/food and others, he made me unsure of science , so I ended up experimenting with myself. I should check his sources though.
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 11:55am
 
   Throughout my life I've been able to diet effectively.  My successes have been dramatic.  Many of our long term members will remember that a few years back I lost almost one hundred pounds in eight months just by dieting with no exercise.  I thought I had it figured out.
    In 2017 I attempted the exact same diet.  This time I stuck to it even more religiously and exercised with it.  I dieted almost the full year and lost just eighteen pounds.  That was a lot of sacrifice for  very little gain. 
    The big difference is my age.  Old bodies just don't burn as many calories.  I need to find something that will work for me at this age.  I should lose at least twenty pounds. 
     My age adds another factor to the equation.  Time is growing short.  Do I really want to spend what ever time I have left depriving myself of enjoying food?  I know I should but this thought makes dieting more difficult.
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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 12:27pm
 
I did keto back when it was called atkins. Did it to lose weight when I was teen. After losing the weight I still ate a protein heavy diet but didn't do a real "diet".

Tomas is on the money imo. Nothing wrong with a diet to lose weight but really you have to have a way of eating that you can keep up for the rest of your life. Same with exercise.

Here in the US we finally dropped our incredibly stupid "Food Pyramid" and we've replaced it with "My plate" which recommends about half your plate of veggies/fruits, a quarter of protein, a quarter of grains, with a couple servings of dairy on the side. That's actually reasonable.  Worth taking a look at for those looking for a sustainable diet.

Obviously this doesn't apply to specialized medical diets. If your doctor says "you can't eat this anymore" that trumps the golden rule of "moderation in everything".
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 6:34pm
 
I think that there is also a lot of variability between people, some diets work for some and not for others, if weigh loss is concerned I personally havenít found anything better than getting your body into ketosis. Either from fasting or a no carb approach.
For me the big problems are flavours, I love tasty food, I will eat for taste and not for hunger when Iím not restricted, also Iím pretty bad if I let myself with beers and ciders. I donít really miss it once I stop but if Iím unrestricted I just gorge.
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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 4:03pm
 
caveman diet is out - your body converts protein into carbs.
So a medical keto diet as prescribed by one of the uks top dieticians - is not protein heavy Sad

The last week pretty much 90% of my carbs have come from vegetables !

How bloody weird is that !

Mind you I have developed a really good no wheat bread recipe.

You still use almond flour (simple to make) but you replace a chunk of it with gluten Smiley

Gluten is actually lower in carbs than almonds. It is 80% protein , so you don't go mad with it.

But the rolls I made were great.
They also stayed oven fresh and springy for the last 3 days - something no wheat based bread has ever done. I presume it's the high fat content that retards it going stale.

A year ago my blood sugar levels were in the 20's.
This morning 9.7 - so I guess the last year's sacrifices weren't for nothing.

No sign of keto in my piddle but I guess that side of things is going to take a lot longer with the diabetes and my insulin resistance.

Who knew brussels sprouts even had carbohydrate ?

On the plus side - I can pretty much eat as many mushrooms as I like.
So the first thing I did mas make some mushroom powder.
600gms of mushrooms went down to 81gms powder.
Mushroom powder is great stuff, works like an umami heavy seasoning but also as a sauce thickener and 600gms much rooms is about 3 gms of carbs.

Garlic - 10% carb !
Fortunately dried garlic has half the carbs content - no it didn't make sense to me either.
But glad it does. I go through an awful lot of garlic !

Brazil nuts have 1/3 the carbs of almonds. less protein and a lot more fat.

So I roasted 600gms and made them into brazil nut butter.
Kinda runny - but that just means it lasts longer Smiley

Currently trying to work out a 'pasta' recipe.

Gluten is the key. But also picking the right kind of flour to go with it.

watch this space. Smiley
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Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2020 at 5:06pm
 
Good luck with the diet, C.A.

I'm glad that you have guidance from someone with a little more sympathy for inducing ketosis than some.

There has been some pretty aggressive trashing of this from some 'reputable' sources about this, usually along the lines that it's OK as a desperate medical intervention for untreatable cases of things like childhood epilepsy (where I think it was originally described), but not as a reasonable approach to diet in general. I thoroughly disagree with that opinion!

All power to you! But watch the Se from the brazil nuts - don't ask me how I know  Wink.
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Reply #10 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:45am
 
Nice going C_A! Getting your blood sugar down like that is no easy thing.
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Reply #11 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 4:59am
 
Good stuff CA , Iím a little over 2/3 of the way through my carnivore diet , still doing well but very much ready for a Ice cold beer
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Reply #12 - Feb 19th, 2020 at 2:45pm
 
It's a tricky one, I've had fairly large weight losses before (twice now I've lost around 40lbs over moderate time periods) however, due to lots of lifestyle/situation changes it's difficult to keep a good routine and maintain the lower weight.

My most successful was simply calorie counting combined with high protein diet, weightlifting and a bit of judo (basically any highish intensity cardio will do).

Recently I've done 16-8 intermittent fasting which is actually extremely easy when you adapt to it (no brekky and nothing after 8 and you are golden). This lost me a good amount fast but plateaued so I stopped and didn't put any of the weight back on funnily enough.

I think the key for me is supplementing with adequate exercise/gym work. It really keeps the metabolism up there and makes weight loss ventures run smoothly. I'm kinda struggling to do that at the moment though purely from a time basis† Sad
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