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Jan 29th, 2020 at 11:59am
 
Hi folks! I'm a new user but longtime reader of this forum. You guys are awesome! I wanted to reach out to introduce myself and tell you a little bit about a recent project I've been working on.

My name is David, and I support a small product company called Danger Goods. I became interested in slinging a couple years ago, because it combines my passions for tools and self-sufficiency. My day job is as a product and medical device designer for an organization called Pixel and Timber. As designers and engineers for other peoples' products, we don't often get the opportunity to develop devices that promote self-sufficiency, because most of our clients' businesses dependent on dependent consumers.

During some down time a couple years ago, I was able to use Pixel and Timber's product development horsepower on a project related to slinging. That device was a molded sling design (www.pixelandtimber.com/paleotech) designed to be sold through outdoor retailers. But because the market for a mass-produced sling doesn't yet exist, we redesigned the project as a split pouch sling-making kit which is currently selling at www.dangergoods.com.

That's my introduction. I'll follow up with another post on the details of Danger Goods and some coupons for anyone who's willing to help spread the word.
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Reply #1 - Jan 29th, 2020 at 6:22pm
 
Welcome to the forum , great idea as a little sling building kit.
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Reply #2 - Jan 30th, 2020 at 3:59am
 
Welcome, ELLIOT is a forum member here. I sed he finially got it up and running, this post reminds me i gotta reach out to him
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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2020 at 4:08am
 
Welcome from Finland!
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2020 at 10:32am
 
Welcome from Pennsylvania!
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Reply #5 - Jan 31st, 2020 at 11:18am
 
currently elliot has abandond the moulded sling design and instead developed a totally new and rather unique design.

I think it still needs a little work - but it's the first totally new sling idea I've ever seen in over 30 years of being involved with slings and slingers.
And that's all I'm saying Wink

Finally we meet the chap who designed the original moulded pouch Smiley
From just seeing it in pictures it had a number of issues.
But I never got one to play with Sad

So those balls with your 'kit'- hoping they're some sort of solid foam.
The crappy wbite markings suggest 'dog grade' tennis balls. They last about 3 throws. So hope you went with foam Smiley

so $15 for some paracord and instructions. And one of the worst sling designs for tennis balls.

It's a nice way to make  easy money, but not great as far as slings for beginners goes.

If you have to have a braided sling - then why not a larger netted pouch that would easily handdle rocks and tennis balls ? 


The idea is sound - you just picked entirely the wrong sling design.

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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 8:34am
 
Welcome!
I like the idea generally. It looks like youíve gone all-in with manufacturing your products and setting up the website. Best of luck with getting this off the ground. Curious Aardvark has put a lot of thought into selling slings.  Iíd recommend taking his feedback seriously.

Who is your target market? I donít think youíll ever get more than a handful of sales from slinging.org, and weíll be slightly annoyed if you only chime in when youíre trying to sell something.  Weíve seen a lot of people make a go of selling slings, and none of them are millionaires yet, but if you can get a larger crowd excited about slinging, then go for it!

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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 7:39am
 
that's the thing about Elliot - that guy is 100% enthusiasm !
But also has some good ideas about how to get people slinging.
I am still sworn to secrecy Smiley

I will say his new design - and it really is new, (no, you won't guess) - is just about totally indestructible, water proof, chemical proof and geared totally towards tennis balls.
The fact that it will also give the mallorcan's 'kittens' - in no way effects my opinion whistle
It's about as non-traditional as it's possible to get lol

On a serious note, until we get rid of the ridiculous bias towards traditional slings and a proscribed slinging style - slinging can never achieve mass appeal.

That said a simple braiding kit IS a good idea.
But it has to produce a sling that can throw tennis balls.†
The one string sling and some pre-cut pieces of medical tape to make the three string pouch solid and slightly cupped - would probably be a better way to go.

Or the netted sling pouch - I've always liked that one since I got one from a naval bomb disposal guy in afghanistan.
Throws well and will hold most safe ammo easily.†

The fact that it came with a bunch of 'shrapnel' recovered from an ied - in no way influences me Smiley
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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 9:49am
 
Hereís the thing... a kit will appeal to a certain small crowd, but the real reason to launch a product as a kit is because the labor to assemble it is too expensive. A $15 kit would cost $50 if you had to pay for the assembly. If youíre going for a mass market, a kit is not the right thing unless the customer already loves making things from paracord... and then that customer base is no longer a mass market!

The product has potential, but the target market is a bit jumbled in my opinion. If youíre going to make a kit for preppers, make it for preppers. If itís for paracord enthusiasts, then you sell it differently and you also sell kits to make other things from paracord instead of selling wearables and sling targets. If you target slingers, then we donít need to be sold on slinging, but we do need to be sold on this particular sling. Pick a market. Establish a foothold, and then target a new audience from there. You donít have the marketing budget to go after everyone at the same time.
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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 10:07am
 
Hey CA, is there an ETA on when we might see anything on Elliot's new sling design?  Assuming the timeframe isn't part of the secrecy.
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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 5:16pm
 
https://www.pixelandtimber.com/paleotech

Wouldnít be anything to do with the pictures at the bottom of this page would it CA???
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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 5:39pm
 
Hi guys,

I canít comment on Elliotís new sling design, but he is a frequent contributor here, if Iím not mistaken. Iím sure heíll provide an update on that design when the time is right!

I appreciate all your input on the sling kit! Iíd love to do a version with some other sling designs at some point. For now, I selected the split pouch design for its speed and ease of construction. The target market is described briefly in a post in marketplace. Itís not really intended for experienced slingers such as yourselves but more for the average Cabelaís customer making an impulse buy.

This project was intended to get a sling product to market at a speed and COG commensurate with the size of that market. Itís possible that a more detailed analysis of the market will reveal itís big enough to justify an investment in tooling (such as that required for the Paleotech design), but for now, I believe a kit is a better fit. If you all have some data I can use to justify such an investment, Iíd love to take a look!

I donít think anyone believes that selling slings is a way to make real money, but thatís not primary purpose of this project. If it helps grow the sport a little, though, I think it will probably be a benefit. The folks who have bought the kits so far have indicated a liking for it, anyway. We had a dad and his five year old slinging here the other day ó it was adorable!
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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 5:47pm
 
Curious Aardvark: what sling design would you suggest as the easiest to use for beginners? And for tennis balls? What are the advantages?
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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 7:33pm
 
The images at the bottom of the Paleotech page were excerpted from the provisional patent application (PPA) for that device. Theyíre not reflective of Elliotís new design.
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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2020 at 11:58pm
 
    Hi, David.  I wish you luck with your sling kit.  As I mentioned on the fourm, I prefer a longer sling; about 38" at least.  Maybe you could offer a longer version kit also.
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