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Reply #15 - Jan 27th, 2020 at 6:14am
 
I think in the beginning there needs to be focus on the technique, after a motion is established you can relax your conscious mind to the target.

Very much the zen slinging
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Reply #16 - Jan 29th, 2020 at 9:24pm
 
When you donít have time to think accuracy improves

My aerial target submission.

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Reply #17 - Jan 29th, 2020 at 11:28pm
 
Mersa wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 9:24pm:
When you donít have time to think accuracy improves

My aerial target submission.


No mind.† The body and your instincts take over. Wink
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Reply #18 - Jan 30th, 2020 at 12:10am
 
Joel got back to me again today and had a look at our discussion so far.
Here is he second instalment.

ďClosed loop is for stationary, Precision work, open loop is for moving targets

Closed loop is only for a shot activation movement, not the entire shot movement itself.  For example, pressing the trigger on a rifle for a stationary, Precision target would be a closed loop movement.  Slow enough you can gain feedback and stop the movement if necessary.  With a closed loop trigger press, all concentration is on the movement and therefore you do not know when the gun will fire.  An open loop trigger press would be like the press used in shotgunning on moving targets where the shot is timed and activated by the sight picture.  The problem with open loop trigger movements is that there are always pre ignition movements linked to the trigger motor program if recoil and noise are caused by the movement.  So,,,,you cannot stop the flinch if you go open loop on the trigger.  Because no recoil happens in slinging, it is an open loop movement that gets made more automatic through repetition.

If you go open loop on your shot activation movement in archery, you are actually only making your pre ignition movements more efficient with every shot.  This makes the archery shot one giant linked motor program that is efficient, but actually uncontrolled and rarely accurate. ď
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Reply #19 - Jan 30th, 2020 at 3:55am
 
Mersa wrote on Jan 29th, 2020 at 9:24pm:
When you donít have time to think accuracy improves

My aerial target submission.



Amazing! I'll have to give it a go. The weather here has been awful and I now have some work shifts coming up so who knows when I'm going to be and to. Might have to be in Mallorca.
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Reply #20 - Feb 10th, 2020 at 11:31am
 
Mersa wrote on Jan 17th, 2020 at 2:24am:
If you put conscious thought into your throw, it will screw up the totality of the movement, your conscious thought needs to be in target focus.


This is a very good description of my own experience with slinging. For a long time I thought that good and accurate slinging was the result of performing a specific technique down to minute detail. So I would try and memorize and write down every single little, tiny step in a specific technique and replicate those steps when I was slinging.

That, of course, went terrible so the worse I got, the more I tried to correct it by overanalysing my throws which in turn made them worse. It was a downwards spiral and I was close to quitting slinging.

Then I, somehow (I don't remember how I did), realized that I had to "feel" my throws, that is, I had to measure the quality of my throws by an intuitive feeling and BAM, I was instantly getting better results.
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Reply #21 - Feb 11th, 2020 at 7:43am
 
i feel like theres a difference in regards to closed/open loop control between bow and sling in the learning of it. i would say that the draw of a bow is a simple easy learned concept, whereas with slinging it follows the steps of motor learning, being cognitive, associative and autonomous.
during cognitive learning i would say slinging HAS to be closed loop, as all your focus needs to be on actually getting the projectile moving, and beginning to understand the way the sling moves and feels in motion. if you were to give someone a sling and tell them to aim at a target, my guess is they wouldnt have much of an idea on how to get it going. then i think that once you move into the associative and autonomous stages is where it is without a doubt open loop.
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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 3:00am
 
Nice observation maxi.
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Reply #23 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 3:45am
 
Das ist nicht so. Der Unterschied ist nicht groŖ.
Das richtige ziehen ist ebenso komplex wie slingen.
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Reply #24 - Feb 13th, 2020 at 8:05am
 
I agree Jaegoor
But only Partly
I think that in the beginning a fresh archer will shoot forwards
A fresh slinger could throw anywhere  Grin
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Reply #25 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 8:06am
 
Mersa. Auch das habe ich schon anders erlebt.
Denn pfeil in der Hand, und der Bow flog weg. 😁 😂
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Reply #26 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 8:10pm
 
Woah, thatís scary!!
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