NooneOfConsequence wrote on Oct 12
th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
Now re-read that with the premise that everyone is evil
first of all not anyone alive is evil example is a child or newborn. Secondly, if we were all evil then it goes under the "if god is all knowing,he would know what we would do if we were tested, therefore no need to test us".
If the religion says you are evil by definition , humans are evil (newborns/children/adults etc), then you make every course of action incapable of changing your state , you are human therefore you are always bad no matter what you do.
perpetualstudent wrote on Oct 12
th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
The devil in these discussions always comes down to definitions.
That is the problem , devil is introduced by god and religion. I say there is no good or bad, we make it. I argue against your god so I use your definitions of god or evil and through logic I reach to conclusions then I test the conclusions if they comply to the initial dogma if not then the initial propositions or the dogma is wrong. It's called reductio ad absurdum.
you might argue that god is above the logic of us humans, if he is, then you following or not his morals and laws won't do you any good, he won't differ from a teapot in orbit thus god has to follow logic and causation.
perpetualstudent wrote on Oct 12
th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
If Epicurus's argument was utterly bulletproof and exhaustive we wouldn't be having this discussion now.
Flatearthers could use the same argument. I used logic in many discussions without people disagreeing until the end, after that comes the emotional response they try to deny logic and they get angry. I 've done it too , many times, controlling emotions is not easy.