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Question: Is morality a social construct?

It's objective because it's self-evident.    
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Reply #30 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 7:59am
 
I believe morality is objective and absolute, it is the laws created by God. Most of us have these laws in ours from the day we are born even if we are not religious.

Romans 2:15since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.

The side that teaches it is all relative and subjective is inspired by the fallen one. Communism/socialism and other philosophies that teaches such world view is inspired by satanism. The French revolution, the communist revolution, etc, the people behind these ideologies were satanists and relativists, sorcerers. It's been going on for centuries now, and they are doing the work of Satan, all with one goal; preparing the world for the coming of the beast and the antichrist; incarnated in artificial intelligence and transhumanism which will enslave humanity. The great technological progress and acceleration of the last centuries serve this purpose
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Reply #31 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
Jauke wrote on Oct 5th, 2019 at 7:59am:
I believe morality is objective and absolute, it is the laws created by God. Most of us have these laws in ours from the day we are born even if we are not religious.

Romans 2:15since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.

The side that teaches it is all relative and subjective is inspired by the fallen one. Communism/socialism and other philosophies that teaches such world view is inspired by satanism. The French revolution, the communist revolution, etc, the people behind these ideologies were satanists and relativists, sorcerers. It's been going on for centuries now, and they are doing the work of Satan, all with one goal; preparing the world for the coming of the beast and the antichrist; incarnated in artificial intelligence and transhumanism which will enslave humanity. The great technological progress and acceleration of the last centuries serve this purpose


so science and logic are satanistic?  Huh
capitalism  does a great job so don't worry about communism.
religion is not bad it's a good guide on how to live or for those who feel lost , but if you burn and condemn books and people because of your beliefs something's wrong.






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Reply #32 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 11:24am
 
For me, I can't get past the Problem of Evil. I've yet to hear an argument that makes any short of sense. I don't see an omnibenevolent, omnipresent, omnipotent diety anywhere.
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Reply #33 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 1:27pm
 
I probably should not have brought religion up lol. That was my mistake.

I like to discuss things like the problem of evil. I actually don't think that one is a difficult one to explain. Harder still would be simply saying ,"I don't see therefore I don't believe."

But ultimately I wasn't intending this to be a discussion on religion. But hey if it veers into that territory so be it. But that wasn't my intention, so like I said I shouldn't have brought it up. My bad guys.
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Reply #34 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
I think conversations about religion are inevitable Cheesy It was going to happen eventually.
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Reply #35 - Oct 5th, 2019 at 11:53pm
 
     There are times when it's prudent to bow out of a conversation. My views on religion and it's relation to morality would be offensive to at least half of those here.  I'll  leave it there.
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Reply #36 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 1:08am
 
Kick wrote on Oct 5th, 2019 at 1:36pm:
I think conversations about religion are inevitable Cheesy It was going to happen eventually.


I agree. You can’t talk about the origins of morality without religion coming into the conversation.
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Reply #37 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:41am
 
Rat Man wrote on Oct 5th, 2019 at 11:53pm:
There are times when it's prudent to bow out of a conversation. My views on religion and it's relation to morality would be offensive to at least half of those here.  I'll  leave it there.

I think my views of the world would offend almost anyone in here but if they believe they know the truth or they know better they shouldn't be offended.
Discussion is a good test of our views and we can see whats wrong with the way we express them.If someone thinks he knows the truth then he won't feel he is tested but at least he can learn the impact of the way he expresses it.

that being said I too want to stop discussing the matter because maybe this is a bad place for this kind of discussions, written words on the internet have much different impact than face to face discussion.
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Reply #38 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 6:56am
 
Can't speak for anyone else but I'm not easily offended but if you guys feel it's best to stop I respect that.

We did manage three pages plus or minus a post with out veering into religion, so I don't think it's necessarily inevitable. But good talk guys!  Wink
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Reply #39 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 9:33am
 
LOL this has got to be one of the most polite and respectful conversations about religion and morality on the internet!

While we’re on the topic of being offended, I never understood why it’s such a big deal. The way I see it, there are two possibilities:
A) You say something that is ignorant or bigoted and someone is rightfully offended but they become aware of your biases and have an opportunity to either address them or avoid you. In this case the problem is ignorance of belief... not that what was said was offensive.

B) The person who feels offended is the one harboring bias or simply wants to shut down the conversation because they are uncomfortable with it. In that case I say you have no right be offended. If everyone shuts each other down then there are no opportunities to come to an understanding. It’s much more honest to just say you don’t want to talk about it rather than acting offended and blaming the other person for your discomfort.
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Reply #40 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 12:18pm
 
The Bible provides a pretty good explanation for how and why the world is as it is. But you have to read it and believe it like a child, from the first page on wards in a mostly chronological order. I grew up as a Christian and all the stories but never really understood what I was being taught until I started reading myself so from the first words, and studied the events described in the ancient texts in chronological order. It really opened my eyes.

During my teenage years I fell off the Christian path deeply and it lead to misery, pain and above all confusion. I fell into a real deep psychological hole but I am glad it happened, I am now restored in my faith and couldnt have imagined a positive future if I hadn't.

Once you have studied the Bible and got a good worldview from it, the second task is to reject all other non Christian teachings and don't let them pollute and create doubt in your head again. No more atheistic television, film, no more worldly music, no drugs. I feel no identification with those things anymore. If I see those things again, I just get an ache in my body.
I understand the Amish now, they know.

“And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him. Then He opened His mouth and taught them, saying: ‘Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.’” Matthew 5:1-3.
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Reply #41 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:23pm
 
From past experience I've come to realize that a forum such as this is not the best place to delve deeply into inflammatory topics.

And nothing is more inflammatory than religion and politics. It's almost inevitable that someone is going to take something wrong and become very angry lol. Doesn't matter if it's not meant in a bad way, we all come from different backgrounds and filter things through bias.

The ability to see how someone is saying something in real time helps to soften the impact of statements that might otherwise seem impossibly "bigoted". And don't get me started on that word. Everyone is a bigot by the very definition of the word but it's a great social club to bludgeon people with to try to get the upper hand. Ugh.

Jauke, I'll use your last post as an example. I totally get what you're saying. Ive experienced both sides. Went deep into all sorts of side paths in my life, did the drugs and all that life style only to come back to realizing that just because something may seem old and outdated doesn't mean it is so. Had some humbling spiritual experiences that have proven to me there's some weird, weird stuff in this world, more than just the little box we are told makes up reality. So there's no going back to were I was, at least not for me.

I'm not a religious guy per se. I don't go to Church. But I do read the Bible and pray. I am a devoted Christian. I try to love everyone and let God sort out the rest. So I get what you are saying. But some people have only seen "Christian" through the lense or the Joel Osteen or the Westboro Baptist Church or the neighbor that Facebook's how much they love God and then cheats on their spouse on the side.

So what your saying is usually going to get filtered into the most harsh possible interpretation, when in reality you may have nothing against anyone. So I guess what I'm saying is, while I'm not against discussing this at all, based on past experiences I doubt anything good will come from it.

If a person wants to share their thoughts on morality or religion, please feel free. I'm always interested in other points of view. I'm sure the same applies to many here.



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Reply #42 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:31pm
 
One of the biggest criticisms of the Hebrew nation in the Bible was not that they did evil, but specifically that they did evil “in the sight of the Lord”. This is sometimes also expressed as “everyone did what was right in their own eyes”.  In other words, there is a divine morality that trumps social constructs and when the divine morality is ignored by society, great evil results from people attempting to do what “feels right “. 

That’s the Biblical view. You can choose to believe it or not, but it’s pretty clear that in both the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, morality is not subservient to social norms.
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Reply #43 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 5:17pm
 
I was brought up in a christian society , I tried to be a good christian sometimes more, sometimes less. I see it as a very weakening religion.but I see Christ as a great man , when reading the new testament I was confused how everyone ignores how anarchist he was.

Morphy wrote on Oct 6th, 2019 at 3:23pm:
If a person wants to share their thoughts on morality or religion, please feel free. I'm always interested in other points of view


I agree in a lot of things with Nietzsche.  I don't remember which happened first, thinking in a similar way or agreeing with his ideas.
you can read this : https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/a-primer-on-nietzsches-big-ideas/
I think it's a good start if you haven't read smthing similar
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Reply #44 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 7:00pm
 
In my...wanderings. I have read much. I was raised fundamentalist. I broke that belief in myself. And I wandered. And read. Over time I have found my way to a more slender faith because for all my reading, the best answers to the fundamental questions of life and morality are, in order: Christianity, Stoicism, Bhuddism.

"Strong Nihilism" "Evolutionary Morality" always sneak definitions in and I think ultimately fail as worldviews. Few who claim them accept their implications and most simply age out of them and cease thinking about them.
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