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Best option for selling
Sep 23rd, 2019 at 8:34am
 
I've been doing a fair bit of woodworking recently (a couple of slingshots and spoons and a hell of a lot of wooden needles), as well as doing more nålbinding and sling-making, and I'm wanting to make more stuff because... well it's fun. I don't want to drown in wooden utensils and scarves though and I'm eventually going to run out of family members I can gift stuff too, so I would want to try selling them. I'm not expecting, or really wanting, it to become my sole source of income, but I feel like, if I'm going to do this, it would be nice to at least make it worth the effort. I've looked around and Etsy seems like the most promising but then they do take a pretty big percentage as far as I can see. I feel like with eBay, anything I make would be lost in an ocean of stuff. I have managed to sell some needles through a Facebook group but that's not really the best way as far as I can see.

I might be able to sell some things in "real life" as there are a lot of markets in and around Helsinki but online would be easier to organise.

I know some of you guys sell things now and again or it's your full-time job so what would you all suggest? Thanks!
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Reply #1 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 3:54pm
 
Here in the states we have a lot of craft fairs or art fairs. Farmer's market kind of things. As well expos for specific things (woodworking or scrollsaw expos) where you might be able to set up a stall and sell what you can while relaxing outdoors. A lot of retired folks will sell things like that here in the states.
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 4:59pm
 
I am on etsy,  i dont think the percentage they take is too big,  i will have to take a look and get back to you with examples from my own experience and get real numbers
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Reply #3 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 1:58am
 
I have a fair ideas of markets I could sell at but in thinking online would be useful. Thanks Ryan that be great. Maths is my weakest sill ask that would be really good to get concrete numbers.
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Reply #4 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 6:40am
 
online is never as good as you think it will be.

To make any money out of anything these days is hard work. And - unfortunatly - socila media seems to be where you need to do your marketing.
Craft fairs are actually a better option, as you can interact with people and explain why your stuff is what their friends and relatives really need ! Wink

Hopefully I'll be going to my first next week.

Tips I've been gleaning.

Have something nobody else has got.
DON'T sell too cheap. It's weird but people are reluctant to buy things that are too cheap. They think there's always going to be a catch.
Be prepared to deal.

I've got a whole bunch of stuff I can reasonably sell for £5.
Will I sell someone 3 for £10 - absolutely.
So charge enough that people think they've got a bargain through haggling Wink

I've got a whole range of Rude Kitchenware I'm working on.
Thought of one last night. Wooden place mat with: 'Eat it or Starve, You Ungrateful Child !'  engraved in big letters. haven't decided whether to add a skeleton or not.
Whole bunch of other stuff, just this side of unforgiveabley tasteless. Pretty sure there's a market Smiley
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Reply #5 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 8:57am
 
I second craft fairs and flea markets. There's a lot of people that have food or craft trucks that will simply follow around different festivals and fairs. If you have good, marketable stuff you can make a good amount of money in a few days.
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Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 9:01am
 
I want to try it too.
It seems that etsy is the platform to start selling handmade stuff.
what seems to be good with online selling is that you don't need to be there all the time like in a market
but on the downside it seems that social media push the constant striving way of life , etsy and youtube algorithms seem to favour those who upload new products/videos consistently and very often. not necessarily good quality stuff.

I got real problem with pricing I ve only sold 2 low poundage bows 35euros each i don't regret it because i sold them to a friend.
But how do you price a handmade thing made from low cost material but took you many hours to make?
people sell fiberglass bows at 80 euros  that would take me 20-40 hours to make out of wood, charging time spent would raise the prices tremendously, so I'm a little confused with the whole pricing thing.
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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 9:42am
 
Sarosh, that's why most new bow makers fail. I dabbled in selling archery equipment. It's a tough market to break into and if you are selling wooden bows, good luck.

The same is even more true for slings. I have plans in the works for some very elaborate slings that will likely take 30+ hours each. I have a feeling ff I try to sell them at $150-200 no one will take it seriously. Even though time and quality wise selling them for that might still be a huge loss. As much as people say they want quality hand made items most people don't want to pay a reasonable price for them. It's the nature of the beast.

I'm thinking I will make them and sell them at at whatever price seems reasonable and If I sell nothing oh well, it's just a hobby. Thank goodness for day jobs.
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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:23am
 
Thanks guys! This is all really good stuff. Maybe I should focus on local markets then. I know there are some days ("cleaning days") over here where anyone can set up a stall, or just a blanket on the ground, and sell their old stuff which I think could be pretty good. I don't exactly know how it works for the weekly markets but it's definitely something I'm going to be looking into.

Sarosh wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 9:01am:
But how do you price a handmade thing made from low cost material but took you many hours to make?


This is something I've been struggling with as well. I've seen people selling wooden "pagan idols" on Etsy for 40€ and I'm not exaggerating when I say I could make an identical one in an hour. All positive reviews as well. I recently was selling some needles on a Facebook nålbinding group for 6€ (that includes the p&p) and some users were accusing me of scamming people! I have no idea how much I should be charging for something like a spoon.
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Reply #9 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
Morphy wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 9:42am:
I'm thinking I will make them and sell them at at whatever price seems reasonable and If I sell nothing oh well, it's just a hobby. Thank goodness for day jobs.


This is my thinking on it as well. I like making stuff so I might as well have a good reason and end goal to making stuff Cheesy
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Reply #10 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
Morphy wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 9:42am:
I'm thinking I will make them and sell them at at whatever price seems reasonable and If I sell nothing oh well, it's just a hobby. Thank goodness for day jobs.


is there a reasonable price? maybe lowering the price throws reason out of the window.
I was thinking of making 100euro slings and had the same thoughts Tongue

it's funny how people (on the internet) suggest pricing jewelry.  some are like (time spent *10euros/hour + material cost)*3 do that to a bow and you are over 1k euros easily.


Kick wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:23am:
This is something I've been struggling with as well. I've seen people selling wooden "pagan idols" on Etsy for 40€ and I'm not exaggerating when I say I could make an identical one in an hour. All positive reviews as well. I recently was selling some needles on a Facebook nålbinding group for 6€ (that includes the p&p) and some users were accusing me of scamming people! I have no idea how much I should be charging for something like a spoon.


there is also the idea that providing too low price harms those who make a living out of this.

what's p&p?
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Reply #11 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 12:32pm
 
Sarosh wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 10:37am:
what's p&p?


Postage and packing.
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Reply #12 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 3:59pm
 
as far as slings go, uwe is probably the best sling maker in the world. He sells his at around the 60-70 euro mark.
These are 12-14 strand  braids. I have absolutely no idea how he does it.
And for the skill and time involved he's selling them, cheap.

Luis sells his balearic slings with hand stitched leather on the split for 30-40 euros.


With a bow again price realistially. A handmade wooden bow will just look suspicious at 35 euros.
Start at around 150-250.
do some decoration and double the price.  People seem to like prettty Smiley

Etsy - yeah been on there a while, not a nibble.
But then I really don't like socila media much and don't live on my cell phone or do any social media on it at all.
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Reply #13 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 4:15pm
 
Ya I should clarify. Reasonable to me! Lol.

A weird quirk of commerce is studies have shown that people associate value with and form a greater brand loyalty and attachment to items they have spent more on. So long as you aren't doing this as a business where you are literally going to go hungry all you will do by short changing yourself on the price is make people think that's what YOU as the craftsman believe it is worth. No thanks.

Better to slowly build brand loyalty and increase the subjective value in other's minds so long as you aren't going to go broke doing it. At least that's my opinion.
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Reply #14 - Sep 24th, 2019 at 5:23pm
 
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are Uwe and Luis selling online ? where?

Curious Aardvark wrote on Sep 24th, 2019 at 3:59pm:
A handmade wooden bow will just look suspicious at 35 euros.


the right thing was to be suspicious, I told the buyer "they are my first bows be very careful if they break in a year you got your money back". first time I shot them was in front of him no previous test shots to break them in and make sure they work...
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