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Helicopter - Can We Rename This Style?
Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:11pm
 
All of the slinging styles, w/ one glaring exception, have names that evoke the history and the culture of slinging: Balearic, Greek, Figure 8, Apache, Byzantine, and Pirouette.  Even the dreaded "turkey style" (which sounds like some poorly executed country western line dance as in "hee-haw, now everybody strut...turkey style!" actually, maybe I am on to something here - if my Turkey Style vid goes viral, I will share the profits w/ everyone here) (sorry for the digression!) fits in.

As stated in the Subject line - the glaring exception is of course Helicopter.  How is it that we name a slinging style that probably pre-dates written history, after a powered flight machine invented in 1939?

Insofar as we are the preeminent source of sling knowledge, we have the privilege of calling things what we choose.  Who will join me in my humble campaign to rename Helicopter?

Is anyone else troubled by this?

Would I do better to devote my time to practice (as my slinging vids demonstrate - I can certainly use more practice!) and not worry about nomenclature?

For those who wish to join me, what are your suggestions for renaming Helicopter into something archaic?

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Reply #1 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 7:53pm
 
Where here in the forum posted the most comprehensive video catalog of various styles ? If there is one, please show it to me. If it does not exist, it must be created. There are questions not only about the style of "helicopter", but also about some other styles.   So far I have used this directory to identify styles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72cIgoZ7wNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj0r3VqWP4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WADQStF-Rq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBh2B3oeKtM
If not all styles are described here, then maybe we need to use a different directory ?
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Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 8:44pm
 
Well how about every style being Byzantine if you don't multi rotor. That's the one I struggle with .
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Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 9:37pm
 
Where is the most complete catalog of styles, suitable to check with him in each case? Why is there a debate about the name of styles ? This means that the directory does not exist ?
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Reply #4 - Oct 6th, 2018 at 9:50pm
 
Tornado?
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Reply #5 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 3:18am
 
Lips Sealed Cry warum schon wieder dieses Thema? Habt ihr lange weile?
Es gibt nur drei Stile.  Alles andere sind nur Variationen dieser drei Stile.
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Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 8:44am
 
Jaegoor: Aussie (RIP) listed the following styles:  FIGURE 8, HELICOPTER STYLE, SIDEARM, APACHE STYLE, UNDERARM, GREEK STYLE, BALEARIC STYLE, DOUBLE FIGURE, 8 DOUBLE SIDEARM, BYZANTINE STYLE, PIROUETTE

Can you help me understand the 3 styles?  Maybe it is better to say that there are 3 categories and that the various styles fit into one of the 3?

I am working on a presentation for the anthropology club at our local university and I noticed that "helicopter" does not fit w/ the other names.  I did not realize that this was previously discussed.  Do you have a link?

Bambula: try this link:

http://slinging.org/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1260271797 - scroll past the descriptions of how to make a slingshot and you will see Aussie's list of styles and links to videos depicting them.

All: maybe name it for other people that used slings i.e. Assyrian, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Aztec?

Or to be consistent w/ some archeological finds that may relate to slings (baton de commadement, baton perce), use the French hélicoptère?

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Reply #7 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
Tint you got my vote for Tornado style
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Reply #8 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 12:40pm
 
Helicopter works for me.

It's discriptive: exactly like fig 8 and pirouette.

It's derived ' spiral wing' in greek.
Although  helicopter is french noidea
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Borrowed from French hélicoptère, from Ancient Greek ἕλιξ (hélix, “spiral”) + πτερόν (pterón, “wing”).


There is no common directory. people seem to be making more daft names up every damn week.

Byzantine and turkey - great examples.
Of daft names - that is Smiley
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Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:26pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Oct 7th, 2018 at 12:40pm:
Helicopter works for me.

It's discriptive: exactly like fig 8 and pirouette.

It's derived ' spiral wing' in greek.
Although  helicopter is french noidea
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Borrowed from French hélicoptère, from Ancient Greek ἕλιξ (hélix, “spiral”) + πτερόν (pterón, “wing”).


There is no common directory. people seem to be making more daft names up every damn week.

Byzantine and turkey - great examples.
Of daft names - that is Smiley


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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 1:55pm
 
There are only three styles. O - S - U  All the others are varieties within those styles. Look at all the variations. The stone (projectile) will always be released (catapulted). Even while doing a spin, you will release sidehand. The many styles here discussed in the forum are confusing. Somebody made himself a name by using his own style and name it after himself. Bambula is trying this at the moment. Apaches had slings. But did they have their own style? How do we know? How do we find proof of this? It all boils down to the three basic techniques mentioned above.
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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 3:44pm
 
I've never understood what Byzantine style is Cheesy
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Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2018 at 5:11pm
 
Some people like to say that the first two professions in history were the prostitute and the priest, but the first job was actually the taxonomist. The first man, Adam, spent his days naming the animals, and humans have been fascinated by categorizing and classifying everything ever since then.

Here’s my $.02:
1. What matters most is the trajectory, the projectile stability, the speed, and the spin at the release. How many times you whirl the rock around your head may matter when it comes to proprioception and muscle memory, but in the end, you either hit the target or you miss, and that has more to do with practice than which particular style you choose. I don’t care what label you put on it. If you can hit the target, you’re doing it right even if you don’t know what to call the style or your style isn’t “pure”.

2. You could go crazy with names to classify styles, or you could just define a set of parameters that describes the throw, such as the angle of the swing and release relative to the direction of the throw. For example, imagine that you are punching at the center of a clock when you throw... the sling would pass through 12:00 with Apache or overhand, and about 1:30 or 2:00 with a figure-8 (unless you’re left handed).  Balearic might release at about 4:30, and so on.   Then we can all argue about what clock position is “correct” for the release, but it’ll be clear to everyone what the form looks like at the release, no matter how you swing it before that.

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Reply #13 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 12:40am
 
I likes helicopter, it describes this variant perfectly well. But it does leave open the question of the release: it is sideways, or a downwards slash ?
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Reply #14 - Oct 18th, 2018 at 7:08am
 
a helicopter windup can lead to either a sideways release OR a vertical release.
Jaegoor actually uses a vertical release - but I noticed this year he was teaching the kids in mallorca to use a sideways release.
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As far as naming things after a traditional clock face goes.
Apparently that's a dead topic.

Kids these days don't use standard clock dials.  Watches will soon mostly be 'smart' - but there will be helicopters for a few years yet Smiley

When the helicopters are replaced by gravity vehicles or turbo-fan engines. Then we can Call it the Sycamore style.

No matter what technology does - there will (hopefully) always be sycamore trees with whirly blade seed pods Smiley
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