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Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:15am
 
Here's my question:

Which conspiracy theory do you believe is the most likely to be true AND which do you believe is most likely to be false?



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Reply #1 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:52am
 
I would say Trump/Russia but it's basically fact at this point (Yeah I jumped in the deep end straight off the bat...) Moon landing being faked I don't believe. I think it makes more sense that they actually went to the moon than that they paid off millions of people including the Soviets to fake it.
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Reply #2 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 10:30am
 
i have things i want to believe but there are not enough evidence like tesla superweapons exist, free energy devices have already been made, and US stole high tech from germans in ww2 that resulted to roswell ufo incident which was probably an experiment, antigravity stuff...

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Reply #3 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 12:21pm
 
I'll just talk about aliens to make this interesting:

Most likely-Roswell

Least likely-Reptilians
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Reply #4 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 4:26pm
 
Mr. Otter comes out swinging lol.  Grin

For me there are two at the top. Kennedy/911 - both stink.

Most likely to be false- Flat Earth
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Reply #5 - Jul 17th, 2018 at 9:01pm
 
Oh, so many to choose from! I’ll start with a couple of each...

Clearly false but amusing:
- Super secret American spy squirrels spying on Iran (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12131243 )
- Chemtrails

At least partially true:
- The French Revolution was caused by mass consumption of moldy rye bread
- The deep state (i.e. people who collectively abuse their positions in government jobs to do illegal things for political purposes)


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Reply #6 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 5:03am
 
False And amusing , flat earth.
Possibly true , nannup tiger , both story's .
From a town near me , a number of big cats (tigers panthers) escaped a Train that derailed and there are a small community of big cats still alive.
Or my personal favourite that the Tasmanian tiger (that's extinct) has a close relative that is undiscovered and has a very small population in the south western forests of Australia.
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Reply #7 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 8:47am
 
I have mentioned this before but I find the cryptozoological stories like the Tasmanian tiger or it's relative to be interesting in that usually you have many detailed accounts from honest everyday people who have nothing to gain by lying yet they tend to be so hard to prove.

Bigfoot here in the US has thousands of sightings if not tens of thousands. And anatomically correct tracks appear in the most remote areas of the US. Places where it's just not likely someone in an ape suit is walking for miles. Yet conclusive evidence is impossible to come by.

That is one that I would bet has something real behind it. Not sure if it's exactly Bigfoot per se, but all those sightings can't be delusion.
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Reply #8 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 1:04pm
 
@Morphy,
Those sightings could be willful delusion, but I generally agree that cryptozoology, aliens, and ghost stories all have that common element of eyewitness accounts which are impossible to prove.

Personally I think scary stories are one way of hacking the brain by applying a specific form to a non-specific fear. It’s kind of the inverse of the “invisible gorilla “ effect.
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“My final hour is at hand. We face an enemy more numerous and cunning than the world has yet seen. Remember your training, and do not fear the hordes of Judas. I, without sin, shall cast the first stone. That will be your sign to attack! But you shall not fight this unholy enemy with stones. No! RAZOR GLANDES!  Aim for the eyes! May the Lord have mercy, for we shall show none!“  -Jesus the Noodler
 
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Reply #9 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:03pm
 
Least likely:  the moon landing was staged at Disneyland. Any of the bizarre Right Wing extremist Moscow generated conspiracy theories about Obama or Hillary, ie Birther, Clinton is a mass murderer, Bill and Hillary run some kind of pedophile camp, Clinton sold weapons grade uranium to the Russians, Obama is a Muslim, etc., etc., etc..
Most likely:   other than tRump being guilty of Collusion and Treason I can't think of any at the moment.  I'll probably get back to this.
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Reply #10 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 2:29pm
 
Israel's 1967 attack on the USS Liberty surveillance ship was intentional and premeditated, not a case of mistaking a far smaller beat-up 1920s Egyptian livestock freighter for the most sophisticated spy ship in the world (which discovered that the Israelis had just mass executed a bunch of captured Egyptian soldiers, incidentally.)

Vaccines aren't universally safe; polio vaccines were infected with SV40 for decades, causing tumors etc. and the adjuvant components can cause the undeveloped immune systems of infants/young to go haywire and attack more than just the intended antigens, likely a factor in the increased prevalence of autoimmune disorders, allergies, etc.

Not sure what the heck happened on 9/11 but it sure as sunshine wasn't the official story, same with the death of Bin Laden who had been reported as having died 5 or 6 times prior to the "Nope we have no pictures, physical evidence, or body which we buried at sea, but seriously believe us this time!" raid in 2011.

Conspiracy theories like Flat Earth, Mandela effect, hollow Earth, and "Illuminati" (as an actual cohesive entity that is, versus a general catch-all used for convenience like "deep state") appear rather silly to me.

I do like the cryptozoological stuff, moreso with regards to rare and reclusive species not yet described versus big and dramatic Loch Ness or Bigfoot-tier claims but it's still quite interesting. If it's discovered that the bigfoots are actually members of a secretive off-grid clan all afflicted with severe hypertrichosis that would be darn fascinating too, heh.
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Reply #11 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 3:28pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on Jul 18th, 2018 at 1:04pm:
@Morphy,
Those sightings could be willful delusion, but I generally agree that cryptozoology, aliens, and ghost stories all have that common element of eyewitness accounts which are impossible to prove.

Personally I think scary stories are one way of hacking the brain by applying a specific form to a non-specific fear. It’s kind of the inverse of the “invisible gorilla “ effect.


Some I think are delusion and some are lies. For sure, we know this to be ,statistically speaking, a fact. But when you talk to outdoorsman who have years of experience out in the wild and you know these people and they are not liars and they have an extremely detailed account of what they saw it's just damn hard to say all of those are false.

Thing is, I don't really disagree with the logic of what you are saying. But I think the more you speak to these people and look at what evidence does exist the less sure one is inclined to become. It's very easy to succumb to the old Dunning-Krueger effect. I think looking at both sides and perhaps being unsure of both, is a good way to remain relatively balanced when hard evidence is lacking.

@Ratman- I totally agree, they didn't stage it at Disneyland. The whole idea is ridiculous...

It was Disney World. Our Reptoid overlords changed the location at the last minute.
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Reply #12 - Jul 18th, 2018 at 10:52pm
 
Okay, okay... It’s been left alone long enough Smiley
@KTO, if Trump is a Russian agent, then Obama is a devout Muslim!  But if, for the sake of argument, I assume you are right, then I still can’t figure out why Vladimir Putin would want to lower our taxes  Roll Eyes
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“My final hour is at hand. We face an enemy more numerous and cunning than the world has yet seen. Remember your training, and do not fear the hordes of Judas. I, without sin, shall cast the first stone. That will be your sign to attack! But you shall not fight this unholy enemy with stones. No! RAZOR GLANDES!  Aim for the eyes! May the Lord have mercy, for we shall show none!“  -Jesus the Noodler
 
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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 12:15am
 
Just the scant information that has leaked or been revealed from Mueller's investigation is enough to raise eyebrows. At the very least there are deep financial connections (I wonder when he's going to release his taxes...) and the president himself has said he trusts Putin more than the CIA and the FBI. It happened at a press conference last week less than 20 miles away from where I'm sitting. Of course he said he misspoke once he got back home and realized he managed to piss off... everyone with that but I think that might be one of the few times during his presidency he actually told the truth. I think of Trump as a human grenade. He visited the UK and caused outrage, protests and embarrassed Theresa May and the Queen, all things Putin wants to help destabilize the UK (along with Brexit and the Novichok poisonings). The EU is under constant attack and Brexit has been like a cat amongst the pigeons and it's been proved there was stone sketchy finding when it came to the Vote Leave group. NATO is on high alert for the US leaving and has been consistently undermined by Trump since the beginning. The US is almost as divided now as it was during the Civil War. Putin wants those against him destabilized and busy dealing with their own problems so he can reconstruct the Soviet Union he so dearly loved. Honestly, this is barely considered a conspiracy.
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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2018 at 1:04am
 
LOL!  Well, KTO, I suppose we’ll have to wait and see how it plays out. Russia might try to take advantage of Trump’s verbal chaos, but that’s not the same as conspiring with him. I would expect Russia to benefit more from having a socialist in power rather than manipulating an election to favor a hardcore capitalist... especially one who bombs Syria and is encouraging Germany to stop buying Russian oil products. Is Trump unpredictable? Yes!  Does he say crazy things that hurt him politically? Yup. Is he conspiring with Putin to undermine America?  I doubt it.
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“My final hour is at hand. We face an enemy more numerous and cunning than the world has yet seen. Remember your training, and do not fear the hordes of Judas. I, without sin, shall cast the first stone. That will be your sign to attack! But you shall not fight this unholy enemy with stones. No! RAZOR GLANDES!  Aim for the eyes! May the Lord have mercy, for we shall show none!“  -Jesus the Noodler
 
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