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May 10th, 2018 at 9:04pm
 
Once I move to Maine, I will be starting a petition to try and get law passed to have the atlatl and shepherd sling legal for hunting. I have information I need on the atlatl,  so this is more geared towards the sling. I did a couple of searches on the forum, but couldn't find anything. I am aware of this article just haven't read it it.  October 1973 Scientific American article "The sling as a weapon" by Manfred Korfmann I was curious if anyone had any other information in regards to ballistics for the sling, as I would like to sit and write out a petition I could send to people in other states to get it started. If they were so inclined and interestEd in doing so.
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Reply #1 - May 13th, 2018 at 5:02pm
 
Although I'm personally against hunting with slings, I'll help you a bit.

This is the most recent study I know of:
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.forsciint.2016.10.006
Borovsky et al. The traumatic potential of a projectile shot from a sling, For, Sci. Int. , 272, 10-15 (2017)

Further papers:
Vega and Craig, New experimental data on the distance of sling projectiles.
Journal of Archaeological Science 36, 1264-1268 (2009)

A couple things from Skov:
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/nebanthro/169/

https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/anthrotheses/30/

This should get you started.
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Reply #2 - May 15th, 2018 at 1:57pm
 
Thank you very much. Greatly appreciated. I would only get it legal for small gane hunting.  I domt think many people will go for, but ya nwver know
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Reply #3 - May 15th, 2018 at 2:23pm
 
Thanks for the references Teg!

Vet: I assume you are most interested specifically in the terminal ballistics of the glande.  Is the sling specifically outlawed in your state?  What about slingshots?  If the sling is not explicitly outlawed, then the question should be more an ethical question than a legal one. The question of whether you should attempt to hunt with a sling depends on the animal, the ammo, and your ability to get a clean kill on a case by case basis. I personally dont think the state is in a position to make an accurate determination of that in most cases, and you can count on any law addressing sling hunting being poorly written.

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Reply #4 - May 15th, 2018 at 3:29pm
 
Vetryan, you may have considered this but I remember Paleoarts saying it was a video showing people using the atlatl with good power and accuracy that was sort of the tipping point towards getting it legalized in one particular state. Might help with the sling as well. Just a thought.
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Reply #5 - May 15th, 2018 at 3:44pm
 
first check - surreptitiously - that is is actually illegal.
I can't imagine it would be.

In which case legislation is not necessary.

That fact that you will most probably leave a trail of badly injured animals behind you - is on your own conscience.

Bear in mind how far an injured animal can run even when shot through the heart.

Unless you are using some sort of bolas ammo - and that's probably all I would consider hunting with. Then whatever you hit will likely run, climb, go down it's burrow before you get close enough to dispatch it cleanly.

I'm not against hunting - just against cruelty to animals.
If you intend to kill something - do it cleanly and quickly - I honestly don't feel a sling is suitable for that.

But like i say, your call not mine. I would bet no legislation exists. Also you'll be hunting on your own or your neighbours land. So it's not like any officials will ever see you.

I find that it really doesn't pay to give local officials ideas. It makes their brains hurt Smiley

If you don't ask them - they'll probably never consider it, ever.
Unless you start a sling hunting club and advertise in your local paper.
I figure you're brighter than that Smiley
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Reply #6 - May 16th, 2018 at 10:18am
 
I have done my research,  but in the state of Maine. All 3 shepherd sling, atlatl and slingshots are illegal to hunt with. Once I move I will be teaming up with Zachary Fowler of the history channel show ' Alone ' season 3 winner, to try to get legislation passed to allow all 3 tools legal for hunting.I could probably get away with it on my land, and the surrounding property. Which looking over the hunting laws, it surprised me that they wouldn't allow any kind of primitive weapons on account of the lifestyle in the state.  For example,  in the area I bought my land. I can live in a camper/ rv, or a tent full time year round. I am an ethical hunter,  I wouldn't hunt with one, until my skill level went up, plus I don't hunt for sport, just for food. And I would not let anything on the animal go to waste. I would at least try to get it legal to hunt for small game, and pest animals.  The atlatl I would try to get for deer, at the largest.  As there are a few states, that allow atlatl hunting during bow season. Another reason, is later down the road into the future. I am partnering up with a primitive weapons and living skills survival school to host and teach a  shepherd sling course. To cover the basics. How to make abd use the sling. I will have plenty of land to be able to host small gatherings and run a couple courses.
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Reply #7 - May 16th, 2018 at 12:43pm
 
Wow! Hows that for living in a free state?  You actually need to get permission from the state to hunt with a traditional primitive tool?!  Even a slingshot?! Just wow.
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Reply #8 - May 16th, 2018 at 1:03pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 12:43pm:
Wow! Hows that for living in a free state? You actually need to get permission from the state to hunt with a traditional primitive tool?! Even a slingshot?! Just wow.

Well currently I live in NJ. A slingshot is a class 3 felon. Which I own almost 2 dozen. But they are finally looking to revise it, but I am not holding my breath for it.
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Reply #9 - May 16th, 2018 at 2:39pm
 
Man Im glad I live in Texas!
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Reply #10 - May 16th, 2018 at 4:41pm
 
NooneOfConsequence wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
Man Im glad I live in Texas!

I spent 6 weeks in Tx, San Antonio fir training.  Not my cup of tea, too hot.
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Reply #11 - May 16th, 2018 at 8:03pm
 
Yeah, August is a bad time to be in San Antonio, but it's a great city to visit in the winter.
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Reply #12 - May 16th, 2018 at 8:40pm
 
vetryan15 wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 4:41pm:
NooneOfConsequence wrote on May 16th, 2018 at 2:39pm:
Man Im glad I live in Texas!

I spent 6 weeks in Tx, San Antonio fir training. Not my cup of tea, too hot.


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Reply #13 - May 16th, 2018 at 9:00pm
 
I was there in September and October back in 04. No thanks, not again. Lol
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Reply #14 - May 16th, 2018 at 9:25pm
 
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