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Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 8:50am
 
You could probably make a good case for shorter arms being better in the case of the sling. In baseball pitching there is a pretty good range of shorter vs longer arms among pitchers. As well as body types in general.

In slinging you can have the same leverage as a guy with a longer arm simply by increasing the sling length.  Due to that, a longer armed thrower's only advantage is effectively nullified, whereas they still have the extra weight of swinging a longer arm.

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Reply #16 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 12:05pm
 
Morphy wrote on Nov 27th, 2017 at 8:50am:
You could probably make a good case for shorter arms being better in the case of the sling. In baseball pitching there is a pretty good range of shorter vs longer arms among pitchers. As well as body types in general.

In slinging you can have the same leverage as a guy with a longer arm simply by increasing the sling length.  Due to that, a longer armed thrower's only advantage is effectively nullified, whereas they still have the extra weight of swinging a longer arm.



Indeed, longer arms may possibly be a disadvantage for people using longer slings. But it could be advantageous if they used a short sling IMO.
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Reply #17 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 12:39pm
 
i disagree.
the relation between body weight to strength can be the same, a tall man needs more muscle strength to do 1 pull up than a small man.(bodyweight exercise)

even though both can do 1 pull up, the taller man is stronger because he weights more and he needs to pull with more force . Which means he can affect the world around him(sling & stone) more than the small man.

so talking with proportions means that a tall/big man will throw the same as a short/small man, but talking with absolute values the big man wins.

you can think it with trebuchets: a big trebuchet wins a smaller scale one , both having the same analogies(and efficiences).

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Reply #18 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 1:53pm
 
johan wrote on Nov 27th, 2017 at 12:39pm:
i disagree.
the relation between body weight to strength can be the same, a tall man needs more muscle strength to do 1 pull up than a small man.(bodyweight exercise)

even though both can do 1 pull up, the taller man is stronger because he weights more and he needs to pull with more force . Which means he can affect the world around him(sling & stone) more than the small man.

so talking with proportions means that a tall/big man will throw the same as a short/small man, but talking with absolute values the big man wins.

you can think it with trebuchets: a big trebuchet wins a smaller scale one , both having the same analogies(and efficiences).



That's a good point.
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Reply #19 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 2:34pm
 
Funditor406 wrote on Nov 27th, 2017 at 12:05pm:
Morphy wrote on Nov 27th, 2017 at 8:50am:
You could probably make a good case for shorter arms being better in the case of the sling. In baseball pitching there is a pretty good range of shorter vs longer arms among pitchers. As well as body types in general.

In slinging you can have the same leverage as a guy with a longer arm simply by increasing the sling length.  Due to that, a longer armed thrower's only advantage is effectively nullified, whereas they still have the extra weight of swinging a longer arm.



Indeed, longer arms may possibly be a disadvantage for people using longer slings. But it could be advantageous if they used a short sling IMO.


Interesting take you have on this TheMontananSlinger.   And I think you are right it might actually be an advantage, but for me, I wouldn't say the biggest advantage is in increased power (although certainly helpful) but instead greater control/accuracy.

The longer the sling the greater a slight inaccuracy in the angle of release is magnified. An arm, having bones and rigid structure is easier to "aim" when throwing, therefore replacing some of the length of the sling with arm length and using a shorter sling should lead to an easier time aiming while maintaining the power you are looking for.

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Reply #20 - Nov 27th, 2017 at 3:15pm
 
I think both are valid points .
There is some point that a sling is too long to use and this is directly related to strength of slinger.
A small child will not be able to use the same weight stones as large adult could and sling length depends on this extra weight to function correctly .

However if we are capping the weight of the sling stone then the argument could be made that a shorter arm person may be more dexterous and have a higher rpm  or similar to a larger man.

Lots of variables to consider.
I think flexibility of joints could also be an atribute that factors a slinger.
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