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Nov 16^th, 2017 at 6:08pm

So what makes the ideal slinger? I'd be interested to know the science towards an ideal slinger's biomechanics. If their shooting arm is stronger than the other or if having greater flexibility would help a slinger out. Would a short, stocky or a tall, slender slinger do better assuming they had at least similar skill?

Also, how would you use a rather large sling? YouTuber gaulix69 uses one rather large, also in Aardvark's compilation video there's a couple scenes where someone uses a sling so ridiculously long. This is where it ties back into biomechanics; would you need a stronger core to use huge slings like those or what? I've noticed that long slings seem to be harder to be accurate or have the confidence to even shoot from my experience using them as your arm gets tired faster and so forth.

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Morphy Slinging.org Moderator Offline Checkmate Posts: 8102	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #1 - Nov 16^th, 2017 at 11:04pm Similar questions have been asked about what body type makes the best Major League Pitcher. I don't know that there's a definitive answer except to say if you can get the job done, regardless of body type, that's all that matters.
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slingbadger Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Don't Badger a Badger Posts: 3220 Akron NY Gender:	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #2 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 6:18am I imagine having long arms would help.
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Rat Man Slinging.org Administrator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 13680 New Jersey, USA Gender:	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #3 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 7:08am IMO slinging isn't about size or strength. There is no perfect body type. It's about form, timing, grace, and being relaxed. I am very big and ox-like. Grace was never my strong suit so no matter how much I practice I will probably never be more than an average slinger.
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Reply #4 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 8:05am

There are so many variations that really I don't think it's possible to narrow it down much. Maybe there is some perfect body shape or body condition for slinging but if you gave that person a sling 5 cm longer would they still be "the best"? Would they now need a slightly different body shape/condition to be "the best"?

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Reply #5 - Nov 17^th, 2017 at 10:23am

why is this on other topics??

generally in olympic sports and martial arts , the bigger you are the better (everything else being equal).
if you change some things then of course a small guy can surpass a big guy.
important things are : intelligence , coordination, fast twitch muscle to slow twitch muscle ratio, fat percentage , body weight , training(strength, stamina,speed, flexibility, skill) and more .

my opinion on sling length:

it depends a lot on the tempo(speed) and the technique(what movements and sequence of movements) you use.
long slings require wider slower movements more time between weight transfer to release,
short slings faster movements less time between weight transfer to release.

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Funditor406 Descens Offline Shattered Remains. Wonder why. Posts: 224 Turah, Montana Gender:	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #6 - Nov 18^th, 2017 at 1:42am I put this on other because I thought it would be a weird thing to put into the GSD forum. I thought that's more of where the pros post.
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Tomas Interfector Viris Spurii Offline Posts: 2172	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #7 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 6:41pm Funditor406 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2017 at 1:42am: I put this on other because I thought it would be a weird thing to put into the GSD forum. I thought that's more of where the pros post. I wouldn’t say any part of the forum is reserved for the pros... I think we all just do what we want and enjoy the topic together
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Reply #8 - Nov 23^rd, 2017 at 6:49pm

If you take away raw talent and just have people sling I suppose the fitter and more capable ones would do better regardless of their body type.
So I’d look up some excercises for throwers and for your core and that would give you an “optimized” body type for slinging.
Also, if it’s big vs little people, I think that 8 out of 10 contests would go to the big people but the two small winners would probably beat 8 out of ten of the big people! Wink

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Reply #9 - Nov 24^th, 2017 at 2:53am

another thing.
all throwers can externally rotate their throwing side shoulder more than the non throwing. this comes with time and a lot of throws.
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A long history of throwing (humeral retroversion – the actual warping of the humeral head itself, was shown to account for about 10.6 degrees of increased external rotation motion in pro pitchers who have been throwing since childhood)

https://treadathletics.com/external-rotation-throw-harder/

questions:
1) since it is accompanied with a lot of experience on throwing , can you really say it improves the throwing motion by itself or is it just a side effect and the experience does the work?
2) it leads to muscle and structural imbalance to some degree. would an ambidextrous have better structure for throwing?

the base is technique and experience gained through training.

but don't forget "The Aggregation of Marginal Gains"
https://jamesclear.com/marginal-gains

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Rat Man Slinging.org Administrator Offline Slinging Rocks! Posts: 13680 New Jersey, USA Gender:	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #10 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 7:58am In a sense slinging is like bowling. Take a look at the top professional bowlers. Many different body types are successful. Size and strength is of little advantage. Many of the pros who throw the most powerful balls are tiny in stature. Coordination, balance, form... this is what matters.
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JudoP Funditor Offline Rocks away! Posts: 937 UK	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #11 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 8:05am I wonder if the reason for that, is that, to some extent you can adapt a sling length and throwing style to your bodyshape.
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Reply #12 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 12:24pm

JudoP wrote on Nov 26^th, 2017 at 8:05am:

I wonder if the reason for that, is that, to some extent you can adapt a sling length and throwing style to your bodyshape.

Yeah, I couldn't explain that any better, that's kind of what I'm more so after now (now that I think of it) is to make slings for people which feel at least almost ergonomic to them.

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Reply #13 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 1:02pm

Being short and wide - I'm biased lol.

I have relatively short arms that are very strong and very strong shoulders. So I reckon I can get a faster end throw than someone with longer arms who would otherwise have a mechanical advantage.

A lot is also down to correct technique, almost as much power is generated by your waist and legs as your arms - if you throw correctly.

I've been doing one type of martial arts or another for most of my life, and in most martial arts emphasis is always placed on power coming from your waist and legs.

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Kick past-moderator Offline Posts: 4451 Finland	Re: (?) Basic Biomechanics and More Reply #14 - Nov 26^th, 2017 at 4:00pm That's my experience with martial arts as well. Throwing a punch only moving your arm... you might as well blow on them. It has to be a whole body movement and getting your whole weight to travel through. It's a combination I think of generating power and then transferring that power effectively.
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