johan wrote on Aug 14^th, 2017 at 8:14am:


I'm talking about four or five hours of practice per week - spreaded over two days each week (so pretty "consistently") from spring until autumn, but only three hours per week in winter (because in Germany from November until February the weather becomes pretty cold & wet). In this time (five hours, respectively two day per week) I throw about 450 stones - all (!) for minimum 100 - 200 m and some of it (5% or 25 piece) for 300 - 350 m too. 

To give it a "peak" (like olympic throwers do) isn't necessary, because I'm not intented to "go for gold" or winning some similar competitions. What Larry Bray, Yurek and / or David Engvall have done (throwing for guinnes book) isn't to compare with "Olympia" or "olympic operating level". Want to say: Throwing a stone of 100 g for 400 m isn't such a "extremly rare operation" as you are thinking (perhaps). 

For me this throwing-level (stones of 100 - 150 g up to 400 m) was coming very gradually alone by continuing a very regulary practice for more than 20 years (1987 - 2012). "Strength & skills come from practice alone!" The range-mark of 300 m I allready cracked in the first 7 or 8 years, and this also was coming like from alone or "itself" - only by continuing the same practice: Throwing stones for targets in a distance of about 200 - 250 m, without "overexerting" me.

Most of the 450 throws (per week) I do with (felt) "80% power" only to save (but also to train) my ellbow (and shoulder). Nothing is so usefull or efficient as practice, regularity and practice once more.

But I know that too very well: Several times (5 times?) I had to interrupt this practice for more than 6 month due to permanent pains in my ellbow that don't becomes better over a lot of weeks. But this doesn't matter - when passed this 6 month the practice goes on exactly like before, because the ellbow than also had become more "resistant" than before too.

Basically this inflammation on the ellbows inner side is nothing else than these typical "(bloody) wounds" at the ring-finger (from the loop): After healing the same finger is much more resistant than before (and becomes resistant more and more).

You said to have thrown more than 9000 stones in 2017 (untill today) only. I find this already a very good "workload". When this was done within 6 month only (march - august) than it would be right enough, because more than 350 throws per week.

But if I were you I would not be afraid of becoming hurts / pains in the shoulder from throwing more far or too strong ... or to be afraid for loosing skills in accuracy, because to hit a tree (or "post" / "stake") in a distance of 150 or 200 m also needs (and trains) your accuracy. To train higher range and accuracy isn't a contradiction - but on the contrary: At least it is the same!

Throwing for accuracy & range at the same time goes easy with help of two marked "cross-claims" (25 x 50 m) in a distance of "xy" (150 - 400 m) to each other. The first 25 throws should be done from claim A to claim B, and then back from claim B to claim A (... and then back again and back again). So you need 25 stones only for absolvating up to 250 throws within shortest time. While collecting up the stones again there always are a view minutes (10 - 15 min.) for resting the arm (ellbow / shoulder). Each five thrown stones I make a little rest (3 -5 min.) too. The whole procedure than totally needs a little more than two (and a half) hours, but throwing so far (such a lot of stones) I do only three or four times per year.

A much greater number of stones I mostly throw for 150, 200 or 250 m only.


Proportions & scattering angels for throwing on "cross-claims" are drawn here:

150gms for 400 metres ?

what length sling did you use?
Stone shape etc

Not saying it's not possible - but it's right out on the edge of the possible slinging envelope.

And are you coming to mallorca next year ?
Not saying this maliciously - but for another german to beat jaegoor, would be brilliant

Sounds like you get the practice in and that's 90% of competition target slinging. 

Curious Aardvark wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 11:08am:


Yes, 150 g too (402 and 409 meters), but mostly a little less than 390 m.

Shape: When throwing smooth balls of "concrete" (46 mm, 150 gms* - germ.: "Beton-kugeln") then I reach the 400-m-mark pretty sure, but as good as never when throwing natural stones of the same weight. Much better results I get when throwing only 115 - 130 g (my "443-m-shot" was done with 122 g natural stone - its shape is very similar to a ball - only a little "eggish". This one has a volume of 44,8 cm³ only. So its density has to be 2,73 g/cm³ what is pretty high for a natural stone).

Concret balls which are made by myself always have density of 2,95 g/cm³ (done with help of stainless steel shavings and barium-sulfat = barite).

Best ranges I achieve with sling-length between 126 and 134 cm. And of course: I never threw against the wind!

Mallorca? Perhaps, some day - if I would be allowed to stand 50 m in front of the "start-line" or to use my bare hand??! When throwing for targets under 80 meters (with a sling) I hit as much as nothing! But when allowed to throw for 120 - 150 m, than I need maxium 10 throws for kicking a (germ.) "football" (soccer) from its post. For good shots I always need a pretty high trajectory-parabola and a lot of "pull" on my sling.

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* gms - dont know if there are differences between englisch "grams" and "german Gramm". I always count in "Gramm" - its officially contraction in Germany is "g".

Nice topic .
It's too bad that i don't have the space(only 30m)

So your practice is :
2days/week, 4-5h/week , 450 throws at 100-250m, most 80% power( a small percentage at full power),100-150g stones

Apex-apoc wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 9:21am:

I don't completely understand this part^^

correct me if wrong, what I understood is that you :

do 25 throws(3-5minutes break every 5 throws) from A to B,
10 minutes walk from A to B,
25 throws(3-5minutes break between throws) from B to A,
10 minutes walk from  B to A,
then repeat until you reach 200-250 throws

that would take you 10x(25 throws with breaks + walking)=10x(15minutes+10minutes)=250 minutes = 4 hours
so maybe you do smaller breaks

then you say that you throw this far only 4 times per year which confuses me more...

is this your standard practice or not? (At 200m)
Do you train in other ways too? (working out/exercising/running, other sports such as tennis/baseball etc)

Mr Aardvark: the claims by Mr Apoc have been aired a month or so ago, subjected to the usual critical scrutiny, and Mr Apoc and Jaegoor have argued about technique, in German, to the point of a flame war. Have you not noticed ? Do you not, sir, actually moderate this forum ?

Mersa wrote on Sep 6^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:


Yes, I know what you mean. Therefore I too have some scrupel to name small targets as "aims". I prefer to mention and to talk about the "scattering angel" (and scattering field / scattering range).

So my own aim or target is much more to decrease this scattering angel: When I was able to decrease it once more, then I "shot my goal" again. The post / stake in the middel of my claim undoubtedly is important, but not to hit it is important but to come close and closer - and this of course measured in all three dimensions (heigth, widht and DEPTH !).

Its similar to the "goals" in basketball: To hit the rectangle above the basket is not as difficult as to hit the basket, because for hitting the basket you have to "hit" the correct distance ("depth") too.

My opinion is that slinging should be fun. No theory, no sport performance, no pain, no great throw count. Only for relaxation.
But this is only my opinion.

timpa, it is not only your opinion