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Reply #15 - Jul 4th, 2017 at 8:13pm
 
Lots 0f A muscaria and A  virosa here. There is or was a market for the A muscaria. It is used in the perfume industry Shocked
I found some lobsters in the White mtns. Read up on them and discovered that the fungus also attacks some poisonous mushrooms  Angry so I pitched them.
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Reply #16 - Jul 4th, 2017 at 9:48pm
 
Ya, it does not neutralize the toxins. You have to be sure of the species it parasitized, which, with Russulas, is not always an easy task. Eat at your own risk.

After looking into this a little more it seems that the fungus is pretty specfic in the type of mushroom it parasitizes. Most people that have experience with them say poisonings are pretty much unknown, despite the overly cautious advice you see in many old mushroom hunting guides. That tends to happen a lot I've found in mycology. Old wives tales die hard I guess. I would try it if I found one.
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Reply #17 - Jul 4th, 2017 at 11:07pm
 
You are a brave man!
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Reply #18 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 8:21am
 
It's easy to be brave online Walter.  Wink
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Reply #19 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 12:22pm
 
even easier to be dead from eating the wrong mushroom.

Anything less than 100% certainty, is too much doubt for me.
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Reply #20 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 4:31pm
 
Every successful mushroom hunter I know feels the same.

I've taken quite a few people mushroom hunting and the only two people to make me genuinely afraid were apparently immune to any natural fear of mushroom hunting. That's why  RM would actually be a very good mushroom hunter. Even trained mycologists feel it at times.
Training is very important but common sense is just as important.

So, this whole arc into Lobster mushrooms has me interested. I've been trying to find any reports of poisonings happening. So far nothing. This is a good start considering it is a gourmet mushroom shipped out to restaurants all over the world. If I still can't find anything after a few days I will see if I can get a hold of a mycologist and get their thoughts on it.
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Reply #21 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:34pm
 
Think I read the bad news concerning lobster musrooms   in "mushrooms demystified" . I'll take a look
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Reply #22 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
walter wrote on Jul 5th, 2017 at 5:34pm:
Think I read the bad news concerning lobster musrooms   in "mushrooms demystified" . I'll take a look


Pretty sure I've read it in several books, though I've not read that one yet. If you can actually find a specific case it references that would be helpful, thanks.  Smiley
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Reply #23 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 7:32pm
 
IN National Audubon Society Field Guide To Mushrooms  it says that it is the lobster mushroom (Hypomyces lactifluorum) that causes unpalatable Lactarius and Russula into choice edibles. I f you cannot positively id the host,  avoid it because it could potentially parasitise a poisonous species.

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Reply #24 - Jul 5th, 2017 at 8:01pm
 
Yep, thats where I read it as well. Problem is sometimes mushroom "lore" gets printed somewhere and then it just keeps getting referenced over and over with each new book, with little to any actual proof to back it up.

Another example of this is is Hygrocybe Conica, otherwise known as witches hat.

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This mushroom has had a reputation as being likely poisonous, even deadly poisonous, for years. To my knowledge, this reputation is based solely on one report stemming from somewhere in Asia in the early 1900's. 

The problem is it has been eaten on several occasions by people trying to get high. Nothing happened. Mushroom taxonomy is extremely difficult. Even today mushrooms are constantly being reclassified into different genera. So unless you have actual reports with evidence be cautious, but take it with a grain of salt as well.

My view is that I will always play it safe until I have reason to discount something as an urban legend. With the heavy volume of lobster mushrooms eaten around the world each year, there should be many detailed accounts of poisonings. So for now I will just have to keep looking.
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Reply #25 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 7:07pm
 
So this question on lobster mushrooms led much further afield than I expected. I started out posting on a popular mushroom forum and recieved a few responses. Basically the answer was we don't know, we have heard the same thing but no one knows of it actually happening. 

I then asked a doctor of Mycology from the University of Oregon. He was unable to find any such cases of lobster mushrooms parasitizing toxic species and poisoning the person eating it. Though he did cite a few cases in the last 30 years of the fungus hypomyces lactifluorum (the fungus that parasitizes other species to become lobster mushrooms) causes minor issues. He did not specify what issues exactly. And this was with no mention of the host mushroom which is what we are wondering about here. He gave me a few leads to check and suggested I contact a Dr. Michael Beug.

Dr. Beug is the head of the Toxicology committee of the North American Mycological Association. He is well respected in his field and keeps detailed records on all reported mushroom poisonings in North America.  If anyone knows of a specific case of a lobster mushroom actually poisoning someone it would be him.

His response is as follows, "While said to be possible - I have no such cases. The one lobster poisoning in my database was due to an allergic reaction."

So it appears that no such poisoning is on record, ever. At least, the experts on the subject are unaware of any. Despite the countless numbers of lobster mushrooms eaten each year.  In researching this I read there was some evidence that the parasite fungus is extremely picky on the type of Russula or Lactarius it chooses which may account for a lack of any evidence of poisonings. I can say, for myself personally, I will be trying them. Without evidence of actual poisonings it seems that this very well could be a case of adding a warning to something just to cover all possibilites. Perhaps as a way of guarding against law suits. Just a thought. We will likely never know.
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Reply #26 - Jul 10th, 2017 at 10:06pm
 
Morphy, I think you could  have ben a very good wildcrafter! NOW I am wondering why I did not take a spore print. Can you get one from a lobster   noidea
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Reply #27 - Jul 11th, 2017 at 8:43am
 
I am no expert on them, but I've read that the lobster fungus can drop white or clear spores but are very difficult to gather in a typical spore print. The host does not drop any spores though.
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Reply #28 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:12pm
 
I'm pretty sure it's an Amanita. Maybe a Destroying Angel??
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Reply #29 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:45pm
 
Very possible. If you dig it up carefully it may have an egg like sac that the stipe (stem) is growing from. You need more info than a picture to reliably identify most mushrooms. It goes without saying that nothing featured on this thread should be eaten without it being identified by an expert. Mushroom poisoning is a very slow, painful death. And although there are relatively few deadly poisonous mushrooms, its safest to assume they are all deadly until you know otherwise.

Forgive me for stating the obvious, I worry some of our younger members will become too brave reading this thread. That being said, Aminita would be my first guess. I have a few guesses on the species but I will hold back unless I know.  There are something like 600 different species in the genus. I don't know most of them at a glance. One more reason I don't eat them.  Smiley
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