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Reply #15 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 10:05am
 
I refuse to trust any politician based on words anymore. I don't care how much of what they say falls in line with my beliefs. Results or GTFO. Sorry, thats where I'm at right now. I feel like America is under sort of a collective Stockholm syndrome.  We are constantly lied to, then the hot new thing comes on the scene and we forget all the lies and trust again. Then we blame it on the opposing party and the cycle continues. Strangely enough the big problems never seem to change. Foreign wars, more debt, higher taxes, open borders (open borders + welfare state + PC culture that promotes lack of cultural assimilation and victim mentality = disaster) etc. 



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Reply #16 - Apr 22nd, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
I think one of the biggest problems with political correctness is the fear that you will offend someone shuts down any chance at dialog.

Plus, both sides of a dialog will use PC to be offended by something the other side said that will allow them to label the other side. 

And, as I pointed out earlier, once you label someone, you can now ignore his or her views because they are a "Labeled". 

And EVERYBODY knows that "labeled" people are biased and not open minded and there's no use trying to reason with them.  So, it's OK to use violence against them.  Because they are biased and you can't reason with them.

And free speech gets stomped into the dust.

And the reason pretty near all politicians are "mealy mouthed" is because they don't want to say something that can and will be used against them.  That's a career killer.  And stops the free money from rolling in.  So, having ideals that you are willing to defend and that defense that will offend somebody is not going to happen.

So, it's not that politicians are working towards a war, it's more that they just shut up and let the crazies who don't worry about offending anyone end up in charge.

Sunday's election in France is going to be interesting, everybody in France is going to go vote against the candidate they disagree with the most. 

If you have francs squirreled away, there is a pretty good chance they are going to come back and yours will be valuable again.
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Reply #17 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 12:38am
 
Point of fact, not having a dialog is doing weird things. Donald Trump is the most popular president in history (among his base), 94% approval in among his voters for the first 100 days and 84% in the GOP as a whole, as compared to 82% approval in the GOP for Ronald Reagan at the same point. But he's also one of the least popular with 42% approval overall, just about tying with Dwight Eisenhower. That's possible because only 8% of Democrats and 33% of independents approve of his job as president. President Obama enjoyed the lowest approval from the opposite party at the 100 day mark prior to this, with only 36% approval among Republicans in early 2009. That's actually been a trend in the data, each successive president since polling started has enjoyed lower and lower approval from the opposing party during the 100 day "honeymoon" period. So Donald Trump is also the least popular president in history, among his political opponents. I can't quite wrap my head around how that happens.
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Massi - WTF? It's called a sling. You use it to throw rocks farther and faster than you could otherwise. That's all. 
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Reply #18 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 2:46pm
 
I don't know what all this means but I'm certainly offended by it. Sorry, a thread on political correctness would be incomplete without someone getting offended over nothing.

Speaking of global issues how often does the entire Senate go to a White House briefing?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/entire-u-senate-white-house-north-korea-briefing-1504...

Serious question, as I have no idea. I would love to be a fly on the wall in that room.
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Reply #19 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 7:52pm
 
It's happened before, but is very rare. Usually the White House sends representatives to the Hill to mean with a senate committee. More unusual is that the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Director of National Intelligence, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs were all summoned to the same meeting.
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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 11:31am
 
I will not take part in an US political discussion Wink

Bill Skinner wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 6:39pm:
Sunday's election in France is going to be interesting, everybody in France is going to go vote against the candidate they disagree with the most. 

For the 1st vote, you can vote for the one you agree with the most (like I did), but in 2 weeks, I will be voting against someone, yes...


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If you have francs squirreled away, there is a pretty good chance they are going to come back and yours will be valuable again. 

Well, maybe as valuable as a quarter kopek...
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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:02pm
 
To get a little bit more back on topic I've heard it said that the culture war does not decide the civil war, but it does decide the sides for the civil war. It scared me when I first read that it scares me now. There's a profanity laced rant about Trump's win from a self identified socialist where he blamed the left's victory in the culture war for Trump's win. Because anyone who disagreed was shamed and screamed into silence, but this did not answer their objections. So they expressed that in the ballot box. I think that's a part of it. Trump's swell had a lot to do with people who were made to feel like lone freaks for disagreeing with the Politically Correct beliefs, and them finding each other and saying "hey, we're not alone, you can't just dismiss us!". 

At this point there's generally a "Trump lost the popular vote" point raised but this misses the point that almost 63 million Americans voted for him and that's comparable to the number that voted for Hillary. Neither side can afford to dismiss 20% of the total population or pretend that the voting population is anything other than fairly evenly split.

From looking at the culture (entertainment, news, arguments on the mainstream areas of the internet) you don't see an even split, you see the left winning. The pundits and the general impression in society at large was that the left was in the ascendancy. It was a reasonable thing to believe, but it turns out the cultural domination doesn't translate to political domination.

I'm honestly scared that the brawl at Berkley is kind of the same "hey we don't have to take it" interpretation, though this time from the fringe right. It hasn't been well covered in the news so most people this is not a real debate or thought. But the people on the fringe right are saying "well the police weren't doing their job, nobody was protecting us from cherry bombs in glass jars, so we had to defend ourselves and they RAN. Oh I wish I had been there to help".  While the left is licking its wounds and resolving "next time...we'll show them. They got lucky! This time I'll be there and help turn the tide!"

Which is textbook for escalation. File under "this will not turn out well"
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Reply #22 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:25pm
 
Ive posted a lot in this thread because I really enjoy these topics. Hopefully everyone will feel open to sharing. Not trying to dominate the discussion or anything.

But I do have a lot of the same fears. When it first happened I saw a video of a lady talking about the Berkley incident of which she was a participant as if it was a thrilling win for their side. The so called alt right. I had this sort of rare almost out of body experience for a split second thinking, "this is how it starts isn't it?". The way she talked about it honestly gave me chills because it was so oblivious to history. The problem as I see it is the police are not stopping it when they can. While it's still small. And perhaps they aren't because it's campus police and they know who has the power, or because they fear the media reprisal as in Ferguson. And again, I do blame the media and Hollywood because they have this  power to define the narrative.

But more than that I blame the average person because we give them that power by not fighting against it. You mention Trump being elected as an indication of the power of the people politically diverging away from the cultural narrative. Fox News is another example of that. It quickly rose to popularity and has stayed as the most popular news network, at least as far as I am aware of.  Not to say I am  fan of Fox or Trump. I am actually very much skeptical of both but there is a powerful silent majority out there looking for a way to fight back against this obvious bias. We just have to be careful not to repeat history by letting emotional rhetoric overcome logic.
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Reply #23 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 1:48pm
 
Caldou, when I was posting about France's election, it was more in reference that a lot of countries seem to be trying to pick the least worst candidate that is running.  Almost all the candidates seem to be no where close to the middle and are out on the fringes rather than in the middle where the majority of the population is.

As far as Trump or Clinton, I didn't vote for either, I felt that both represented the fringes more than the middle.

Morphy, which Berkley incident?  It doesn't really matter, the fact that either side thinks it is perfectly OK to shout down the other or use violence to stop the other side is a very scary turn of events.

It seems to be a lack of tolerance across the political spectrum.  If you don't agree with me, not only are you wrong, you must be silenced, by force if necessary.  And PC is used on all the social medias to beat down anyone who questions the narrative.

And that scares me.  Because the simplest way to unit a population is to format a "them versus us" mentality.  And the simplest way to do that is start a war.
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Reply #24 - Apr 25th, 2017 at 2:12pm
 
And then our bloody pm goes and calls an election.

Given that I am still very much in the twilight zone - I'm not even going to try and call this one.

I'm not a big fan of Teresa may. She tends towards the indecisive, which is something you don't need in a leader.

She didn't need to do this till 2020. But she believes that she can virtually wipe the labour party out and gain a large majrity in parliament. Me I'm not so sure.

That said, Corbyn is an old school communist. he even calls people 'Comrades' during national speeches.

But given the complete and total balls up the government has been making of leaving the eu (I refuse to use the 'B'word) I don't honestly know how people will vote.

Could the uk do a complete about face and end up in the grip of a soviet era communist government ?
You know what, it just might.
I'm beyond the point where I will rule anything out.

Can anyone imagine anything more bizarre - politically speaking - than jeremy corbyn sitting down at conference with Donald Trump ('trump' by the way, is another word for Fart in england and not just since he was elected Smiley

As far as france goes - in a way I'm almost rooting for marine le pen.
Not for anything as puerile as her right wing beliefs, but because she wants to take france out of the EU. And that would most likely be the end of one of the most corrupt and undemocratic institutions the world has yet seen.
I mean the europaen parliament not the United nations - alas that looks like fueling the international gravy train for a long time yet.

Throw in the fact that trump wants to start a war with North Korea and things are going to hell rather swiftly.

Political correctness is an odd phrase.
Politics is a kind of organised religion, and while i don't rule out the existence of Gods - I view organised religion is a terrible thing.
And at the end of the day politics is just another religion.
Is there anything correct about it ?
Doubtful.

But alas most humans like to be led and a few like to lead.
Humanity is composed in the whole of: sheep, shepherds and wolves.

Which is why i choose to be an aardvark Smiley
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