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I'm dying of curiosity, anyone know what this inscription would have said?
Apr 14th, 2017 at 4:33pm
 
All that's left (that I can see is NIZ, or maybe ZIN, as all those letters can be flipped and look the same. Anyone have any theories as to what it might have said? Oh, and this might help, it's a Greek glande from 300 B.C.
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Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 11:08pm
 
ZIN and NIZ are not complete Greek words. As far as I know, no Greek word ends with NIZ (however, the 'Z' could be a backwards sigma, in which case there are many possibilities). The only word I know of that starts with ZIN is ZINICHION, which is the strap or thong used to lace up a sandal --- which would be a strange thing to write on a bullet. So if these letters are part of a word, they were probably somewhere in the middle.

If I had to guess something, I would choose BALANIZO, which literally means "I shake acorns from an oak" (balanos is the word for acorn or anything acorn-shaped). However, balanizo can also mean to insert a suppository. So in this context it might mean something like: "I send this up your ass".
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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 2:46am
 
with 3 letters you won't find a meaning .
the letters probably are " ΝΙΣ "
i can't think of a name ending like that, it doesn't seem to be a verb
find the other letters


where did you find it?
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 8:38am
 
Yeah, probably NIΣ. It could a noun or some modifier. I agree it's not a verb. If I had to guess, I'd say it's a name. Could be the name of the slinger but that's doubtful. Could be the name of the country/city-state that produced the lead glande. In the essay I'm reading on Cretan slinging, it seems archaeologists can, in some cases, tell where a glande was made. In one case, one county/city-state was using the glandes made in another country/city-state. I would think the only way they would know this is the name of the manufacturing city-state was cast on the glande. I'm still reading it. I posted a portion in the Project Goliath section. I hope to get back to it soon. Busy Pascha weekend!
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 9:22am
 
Hmm. seems to have 2 or more letters before that. hard to tell from the light reflection on the photo.. You could try putting a paper on it, and rub a soft pencil on it.Frottage. Might reveal something.. How much does it weight? Seems hefty.. 70 grams?
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 10:47am
 
I have  to go wit: up your arse !'
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Reply #6 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:02pm
 
I got it off of eBay. I'll try the pencil rubbing thing I think.
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Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:11pm
 
Hmm.. I can't seem to do the rubbing. As for weight, I'm not exactly sure, but it feels very similar to my 1 oz lead fishing sinkers. Upon closer inspection, I think I see a very faint m at the beginning. Although that could just be marks from age...
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Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:14pm
 
Wait, actually, it kinda looks like it might have been a B at the beggining
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Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2017 at 1:18pm
 
I think it might be Balanzio, it seems to have enough space for that to fit, I would try to get another picture, but it's so reflective, when I try there is always light reflection.
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Reply #10 - Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:16am
 
Got to be 'Up your Arse !'

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Reply #11 - Apr 16th, 2017 at 10:35am
 
If Theros comes back any time soon, he would probably be the one to figure it out.

However, because of a lot of the stuff he has posted about the various inscriptions, I think "Up yours" or something close is probably a pretty pretty good translation.
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Reply #12 - Apr 16th, 2017 at 11:48am
 
lol that's going to be my first impression block for the rolled glandes Smiley
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Reply #13 - Apr 17th, 2017 at 11:08am
 
Vielleicht kann man es drehen.
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Reply #14 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 12:44am
 
As Parmenion writes, it's --ΝΙΣ. Likely to be the ending of the name ΑΙΝΙΣ. Not "balanizw" You can see the beginning of the first alpha. You can make out traces of the first letter, an Alpha, on the photograph.

I know of (indeed have handled and photographed) a sling bullet with the same inscription in the Ashmolean museum at Oxford (but the letter forms are different). Another one with the same inscription was published in 1862 in Greece. Both were seen, I think, at Antikythera in Greece,

References: A. Rhousopoulos, Archaiologike Ephemeris 1862, 314 no. 401: Αἶνις; also Clive Foss, Journal of Hellenic Studies, 1975, 40 n. 9.

Forgive me for being a prig, but buying an object like this off eBay means that it was illegally picked up and exported from Greece; and that now we do not know the provenance of this (for instance, an ancient battlefield or site). At least wear gloves when handling it (I was told to).

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