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experience with the Ballista?
Aug 25th, 2016 at 3:41am
 
does anyone in here has experience on the making of a ballista?
i have some questions to ask
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Reply #1 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 2:20pm
 
I built a functional model about 10 years ago. The size was around 1 meter in length and with sport arrows I obtained distances of about 100 - 150 meters if I remember correctly. Historically not completely accurate, e.g. simplified trigger mechanism, modern materials and so on., but it worked allright. It should still be around somewhere...
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Reply #2 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 4:27pm
 
i am at the stage of passing the ropes through.

in sort i wanna ask how did you passed the ropes through?


i passed them through as a bundle like this guy http://wattsunique.com/blog/category/the_ballista/page/40/
with a hand winch, but i did something wrong and the stretch was not even the inner ropes were really stretched and the outer were relaxed,
do you know any solution to this one?

i might have done something wrong with the arrangement since the rope is too thin
but i'm seriously thinking of passing it one by one (more than 300 times each torsion spring) Cry

if you passed them one by one then
how didn't you die out of boredom ? Shocked
how did you:
stretched the rope?
passed it through the holes each time(there is around 100m of it..)?
hold it tight each time? 2mm nylon is very slippery and sensitive

any information is much appreciated Smiley

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Reply #3 - Aug 25th, 2016 at 6:20pm
 
I placed top and bottom cross bar of the bundles and then coiled the rope up directly in the frame. I did not precoil the bundles on an external frame as I had no means to apply linear stretch as the guy in the link (see Jan 25, 2010). So I made it tight while coiling. It actually does not have to be super hard tightened to get decent results. You can compensate somewhat with torsion. Unless you want to really push the limits... Also, the rope I used was pretty stiff with low stretch. 4 strong hands. One guy coiling and yanking, the other fixating as good as he could. Grab the whole bundle and use the friction of the rope by itself to help you hold it. At least that's what I remember  Wink

Also 2 mm is pretty thin. Already for my model I used something along the line of 4-5 mm. That will reduce the needed length by approx. 4x as area is diameter squared.

As you may have read in the link you posted, the guy applied some stitching (Jan 31. 2010) to hold everything in place. Did you do that?

What you could do to speed it up is to work with a doubled/quadrupled up rope...
For tightening: google Marlinespike hitch.

My personal advices:
Take care to securely fix the levers! You really don't want to have them flying. And they do fly far.
Take care about your "bowstring". The release mechanism can be quite damaging.
Design a good lever for torsion tightening. I had to use large pliers which was, politely said, suboptimal.
Overdimension the crossbars. They will bend.


By the way: The page you posted is really cool! I wish, it existed 10 years ago.
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Reply #4 - Aug 26th, 2016 at 4:47am
 
Teg wrote on Aug 25th, 2016 at 6:20pm:
the guy applied some stitching (Jan 31. 2010) to hold everything in place. Did you do that?


i did something similar but not so elaborate.
i'll try again with better stitching before i abandon this method.

Teg wrote on Aug 25th, 2016 at 6:20pm:
By the way: The page you posted is really cool! I wish, it existed 10 years ago.

yes he has done some quality work!
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Reply #5 - Aug 26th, 2016 at 12:48pm
 
Good luck! Could you show me the results once you're satisified? I'm always curious about how different people solve the same problem Smiley
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Reply #6 - Aug 26th, 2016 at 3:58pm
 
haha . ok  Smiley
but it's gonna take some time ,exams are closing in...
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Reply #7 - Aug 26th, 2016 at 4:43pm
 
Well, then also good luck for that!  Wink
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Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2016 at 10:02am
 
just curious
i was wondering what draw weight did you achieve .?

my "loose" torsion spring needs around 10kg to pull with little pre-torsion (270 degrees).

what i expected from a 3cm diameter torsion spring was around 50kg .

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Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2016 at 4:47pm
 
Honestly, I never measured that. My estimate would be several tens kg. We usually spanned it by putting the feet against the frame and pulling the string back with both hands as using the winch was a bit tiresome. So let's say 20-50 kg, definitely not more.
At this time I was doing some bowshooting with a 32 lbs recurve, slightly longer draw length than the ballista. If I remember correctly, 70 m was borderline for accurate fire, 90 m was "arc" shooting. Considering that the efficiency of the ballista was way worse than that of the bow, I guess that 30 kg is realistic.
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Reply #10 - Oct 9th, 2016 at 8:11am
 
an update

i completed sewing and braiding together the spring cord.
and now i'm trying to pull it through.
1st rope broke(loud bang),2nd rope almost broke due to friction with the metal hook of the winch, 3rd rope almost got untied, dyneema is very strong but this particular one slips a lot.

with this method i converted an otherwise simply boring and time consuming construction to a diffucult one ,challenging and probably with the same time consumption Tongue

but yes i have to say sewing and braiding the spring like wattsunique did really seems to help with the previous looseness on the spring

now if i pass the rope through one by one there will be 3 problems:


1) the spring cord material is too thin and when tightening the cord will  not rest on other cord but may pass between them ,making the spring  alittle irregular

2) i need to pass the whole length of the rope through each time, which may tangle the excess rope or if i make it a bundle then it will be difficult to fit through the holes

3) what  will i use to hold the tight cord without damaging it?
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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2016 at 1:59pm
 
HAHA  Cheesy
today i did it
two torsion springs on the machine
one of them fully stretched  the other much less Sad
the method of sewing and pulling through definitely works
BUT
the pulley bent when i relaxed it
this method seems to be the best option for someone with a heavy duty (electric)pulley
mine was 3,5 tons hand pulley i probably reached at 1,5-2 tons of pull and then at the relaxing it bent.



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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 6:31pm
 
Hi, just passing through, For another ballista page try http://www.legionxxiv.org/ballista.htm
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