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Slinging and the Magnus effect
Nov 24th, 2015 at 2:53pm
 
So rotation affects air flow and drag, and the latter affect trajectory-- it stands to reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OSrvzNW9FE

(YT vid: "Surprising applications of the Magnus effect", in case the link works not)

(is the explanation quite right about action and reaction ? I would have thought air pressure)

Does this concern us ? e.g. with rotating stones in flight ?
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Reply #1 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 3:48pm
 
Ah ya, that's why golf balls hook to the right so badly. Ratman says he can achieve backspin but I've not the skill for that yet.
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Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:01pm
 
Should we be compensating for this when we shoot ?
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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2015 at 4:40pm
 
Yeah if you have enough spin on it, and i can get a pretty strong left hook on a tennis ball/rock. Smiley
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Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 1:02am
 
If I release sidearm, slinging from the right, the stone will spin clockwise, no ? So that the low-pressure should be on the right, and the drag on the right ??
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Re: Slinging and the Magnus effect
Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 6:55am
 
Thearos wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 1:02am:
If I release sidearm, slinging from the right, the stone will spin clockwise, no ? So that the low-pressure should be on the right, and the drag on the right ??


anti clockwise surely.

It is controllable - toa certain extant. I can sling golfballs at right angles to the left . With a little concentration I can curve them to the right as well.
Getting a perfect backspin is probably harder with a sling than with a golf club.

But if you can do it golf balls go one helluva long way.

The spin is also why glande shaped missiles fly straight Smiley
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Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:03am
 
Once i made a clay rugby shaped projectile with fins on the back and dimples like on golf balls. I know it's a weird thing to do..
It had a very noticeable curve to the right.
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Reply #7 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:04am
 
The best way to throw is spiral, you have better accuracy-power.
I believe we could get better distances with backspin but it would be very difficult to adjust release angle since you should change with every stone or wind.Also i don't understand if the drag raises a lot with backspin making it useless.

When i was a begginer at slinging i threw backspin all the time i remember two awesome throws :

1.throwing a stone, fig-8, release angle very close to 0 it flied parallel to the ground for 70m then it went up 1m for 5m and the it fell down almost vertically

2.throwing an orange,fig 8,I was standing below electric wires (those that are low 7-10m used in the cities) i threw backspin parallel to the wires ,the orange lifted till it touched a wire it continiued for almost 10m touching the wire and then the orange split in half.

below is a picture of the hop up used in airsoft .i don't remember where i found this picture.

Except from magnus effect there is the angle of attack that javeliners use for distance i believe we can apply it to spiral throw but as i said above for the magnus the same goes here, it might raise the drag making it useless.
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Reply #8 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 2:37pm
 
Is it clockwise or counter-clockwise ? My family looks at me in alarm as I mime out, with both hands and index fingers as direction indicators, the unfolding of the pouch and the spinning of the stone.

Can someone explain to me (with a pic or a vid) ? I thought the stone rolls along the pouch in the direction of its unfolding. (Makes gestures with his hands to try to visualize it).
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Reply #9 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 4:59pm
 
here is a pic
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Reply #10 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 5:27pm
 
also about spiral curving or when you put angle of attack at your spiral
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Reply #11 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 5:32pm
 
Magnificent ! But isn't that clockwise ? (and hence pulls to right ?)
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Reply #12 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 5:49pm
 
Magnus force is always perpendicular to velocity vector and both are perpendicular to the axis of rotation. If velocity vector is parallel to the axis of rotation there is no magnus force.
Magnus force is at the right perpendicular to velocity vector when clockwise.
Magnus force is at the left perpendicular to velocity vector when counter-clockwise.
Also youtube can help you understand better.
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Reply #13 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:15pm
 
I am not knowledgeable on physics and of the sort. But what exactly is the technique on how to put a backspin on a sling throw?
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Reply #14 - Nov 26th, 2015 at 4:50am
 
release cord in front of the retention cord .both rest on index finger(narrow grip), palm facing toward target.
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