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Thrand and Eldgrim did some testing. Post feedback, please. :)
Oct 24th, 2014 at 7:26am
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbpgnDYUXW0
The video is here. I'm going to inform him about this discussion's existance.
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Reply #1 - Oct 24th, 2014 at 12:48pm
 
Thos guys are intresting and I`ll certainly watch their sling videos as soon as they come out. 
My first thought is that biconical ammo need some distance to stabilize itself to hit point first and penetrate stuff.  At close range roundish ammo is good enough.
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Reply #2 - Oct 24th, 2014 at 5:09pm
 
timann wrote on Oct 24th, 2014 at 12:48pm:
Thos guys are intresting and I`ll certainly watch their sling videos as soon as they come out. 
My first thought is that biconical ammo need some distance to stabilize itself to hit point first and penetrate stuff.  At close range roundish ammo is good enough.


what he said.

Round is generally better for close up.
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Reply #3 - Oct 24th, 2014 at 7:53pm
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Oct 24th, 2014 at 5:09pm:
timann wrote on Oct 24th, 2014 at 12:48pm:
Thos guys are intresting and I`ll certainly watch their sling videos as soon as they come out. 
My first thought is that biconical ammo need some distance to stabilize itself to hit point first and penetrate stuff.  At close range roundish ammo is good enough.


what he said.

Round is generally better for close up.


I posted a thank you.  They said they might redo it.  The meat they used had skin so tough that after the shoot was over, they had trouble cutting it with a razor sharp knife.
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Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2014 at 2:13am
 
Feedback?

More practice

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Reply #5 - Oct 25th, 2014 at 8:00am
 
In an answer he writes he usually use figure 8 but this was done this way to not throw out og his property or hit Eldgrim.
We`ll have to wait and see what he really can do Smiley.
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Reply #6 - Oct 25th, 2014 at 6:54pm
 
The old problem of testing sling performance-- you have to get fairly good, strong sling throws first (the problem plagued Thom Richardson, or whatever his name was, of the Royal Armouries). I would say that none of this vid actually can show very much about ancient sling performance (if that's what they're trying to test).

The guys, I think, also do things with Viking shields, etc, a field where they're well regarded.

I'd say more distance for the shoot, to develop full power (whatever the style used), and ballistic gel rather than pig meat (the latter choice must be because such material is often used for test cutting with sharp swords by the historical fencing people).
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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2014 at 11:15pm
 
An entire pig would be nice…

Very close to humans anatomically, and it would be interesting to see the effects of lead glands against bone, etc…

Ballistics gel is kind of boring.

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Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2014 at 6:09am
 
Agreed, they really need a whole pig.
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Reply #9 - Oct 26th, 2014 at 6:54am
 
Part of the issue is the toughness and flexibility of the skin, when it comes to admitting projectiles or bouncing it back. Is pig skin similar to human skin ? Apparently, some studies would say it is

http://health.phys.iit.edu/extended_archive/9607/msg00058.html

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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2014 at 10:04am
 
We use pigs a lot as human analogs for med training…

Healthy pigs tend to have more subcutaneous fat than healthy people.

Other than that, they are eerily similar…minus the shoulder joint, length of limbs, etc…

Cannibals referred to humans, when placed on a spit, as "long pig"…and from what I've heard, human is almost as yummy as pork.

Thats why pigs were introduced, by missionaries, to islands where cannabalism was common…same great taste!

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Reply #11 - Oct 26th, 2014 at 10:44am
 
Don't know this for a fact, wasn't pig skin preferred as the leather of choice for leather armor?
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Reply #12 - Oct 27th, 2014 at 2:04am
 
Finally some tests.
My thoughts:

-pig skin might be tougher  than human.
-Skin is way more harder to penetrate than flesh. So just a couple millimeters of skin is worth an inch or more of flesh.
-The pig shoulder they got probably isn't very fresh,like an hour two "old", so the skin is probably a bit more dry than on a living pig.
-Even slightly dry skin is noticeably tougher than living skin.
-Glandes often start slightly sideways,or sideways,unless you're lucky, or really good at getting a proper rifle spin on them.
-They do align in flight, but that may take ~50m

-Glans were used for their long range capabilities and penetrating capabilities. For long range, you use long slings. Otherwise you're better off with a stone and a long sling.

-Glans retain their velocity,extremly well, so a hit at 400m still has 70+% of it's kinetic energy.
-The guys did a good job,but,they're not slingers who grew up with a sling,and with a sling...power and accuracy comes with LOTS of practice, as we know.
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Reply #13 - Oct 27th, 2014 at 8:20am
 
They've got a new slinging video up and it mentions us by name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOxgzHcivAc
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Sorry, but it's a pet peeve of mine:  'Yea' isn't the word you want.  It's 'yeah'.  'Yea' is an anachronistic word you see in the King James bible. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Spellcheck, I shall fear no misspellings for thou art with me.  Thy dictionary and thy thesaurus, they comfort me.
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 27th, 2014 at 8:37am
 
jlasud wrote on Oct 27th, 2014 at 2:04am:
Finally some tests.
My thoughts:

-The pig shoulder they got probably isn't very fresh,like an hour two "old", so the skin is probably a bit more dry than on a living pig.
-Even slightly dry skin is noticeably tougher than living skin.


I think these are the only things we could actually do something about.  I suggested to them that they soak the next piece of meat in water for a bit to soften things up first.

For getting the nose of the glande in, I think we'll just have to rely on luck.  Eventually it will go in point-first.
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Sorry, but it's a pet peeve of mine:  'Yea' isn't the word you want.  It's 'yeah'.  'Yea' is an anachronistic word you see in the King James bible. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Spellcheck, I shall fear no misspellings for thou art with me.  Thy dictionary and thy thesaurus, they comfort me.
 
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