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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #15 - Aug 24th, 2014 at 4:54pm
 
I want to hear from someone who has slung with both traditional animal hair sling and plant fibre slings.

And from someone who can teach me how to make an animal hair sling.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #16 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 5:02pm
 
While answering question by Lusitani, I note that the oft-quoted passage by Strabo, 3.5.1, mentions slings of rush, hair (presumably animal, *triches* in Greek) or sinews in the Baleares.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #17 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 10:35am
 
Hello.
It's funny. Video in french
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq9TWDx5SLk
I can't say more because I don't try.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #18 - Nov 3rd, 2019 at 2:04pm
 
the sling cords are braided or twisted? is it clear from the text?

there are many ways to do it:
1) fibers twisted to cords, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISfNZAja3I or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DG26XDPpB8
and then those cords further braided or twisted
2)fibers to braid , like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO4ERyUXdYU
3)fiber to thread with drop spindle(like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R0Lb1qA7kE or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUeYJKOYrSk ) and then twisted to cords(by hand or any other way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVAA57SwM88 ) and then braided or twisted to sling cords

I would prefer to have to braid with cords rather than fibers for consistency and speed. so my preference by order would be 3, 1, 2 . with the 3rd way you can possibly use any kind of fibrous material.

linen vs wool I'm curious which one would be more resistant to sea water.
linen is used for bowstrings for it's high strength/mass , I don't know much about wool.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #19 - Nov 4th, 2019 at 6:25am
 
Thearos said :
"Slingers throw stones by turning their arm around the head: they use slings made of linen or "sae tae" (these are said to be the best).

Saetae means "coarse, rough hair"-- so wool tufts ? goat hair ?"
With the video, I explore "saetae". If the slings made of saetae are really the best ( for Végétius), I think it can be interesting to use this way.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #20 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:56am
 
Yesterday, in a shop, I buy a ribbon of felt (1.99 euro) and I make very quickly a sling. I think this felt is more or least synthetic but for a first approach, it's suffisant. 1.99 euro !!!  Smiley
This morning, I test with a ball of tennis and a few bad-shapped stones. I am pleasantly surprised. It's a good sling.
Are there members who tried slings with felt or a shape of ribbon ? Thearos already asked this question.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #21 - Nov 5th, 2019 at 3:58am
 
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #22 - Nov 7th, 2019 at 10:36am
 
Just a felt strip, cut to shape ? I wondered how the felt was strong enough not to break under the stresses of slinging (maybe braided strips) but this seems to work
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #23 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:07am
 
Thearos, your question is good. My example is synthetic, and it is not the reality. It is just a first approach.
This morning with a hairdresser for pets, (I don't know the word), I have got coat of dogs. I shall make a small peace of felt and if possible, I shall cut a pouch. My idea is understand and learn the technic. It's the second approach.
After, if I like this job, I try a felt strip like my example.
Of course, I say you the follow-up.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #24 - Nov 8th, 2019 at 7:12am
 
My English is not good.
It isn't "peace of felt" but "piece of felt".
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #25 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:07pm
 
I wonder if it is a long strip of felted material (saitae, tufts of wool or hair, matted to make felt), making up a tough, unbreakable continuous strip, broadening in the middle to make a pouch
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #26 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 4:12am
 
Yes. It's my idea.
Because I don't understand how to make a rope with short coat. With long hair, I understand.
Because felt is an excellent material. Tough and unbreakable.
Because my first test with synthetic felt is ok. I think is a good concept.
It is prove nothing except if this felt sling is possible or not.
Just my think.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #27 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 3:03am
 
My first prototype.
It's also the first time I make felt, so there are some structural deflects.
Coat of dog, nettle and dried clay. The look is  Smiley
Is Vegetius' idea a sling with only a felted pouch or all the sling ? Why this question ? Because, when the work dries, it's possible to shape it.
I think do another pouch with wool to see the difference.
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Re: Vegetius (and Virgil) on sling material: linen or wool (wool best)
Reply #28 - Nov 14th, 2019 at 9:20am
 
Intereresting ! A german friend said me this morning that she knows a grandmother who makes pull with hairs of her dog in Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WudYZNzyfnQ
Linen, wool (sheep, dog or others) or felt. All these materials are possible. So, I think we will not know exactly what is sling with saetae for Vegetius.
But I think it's interesting to search the subject.
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