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Archaeological finds of sling projectiles in Gaul
May 16th, 2014 at 3:19pm
 
I confess. I am a reenactor. I'm right when some Roman politician needed more fame (and so, more power). Worse, I'm from France, previously known as Gaul.

But I'm also a slinger (is it redeeming enough ? Tongue ) So I'm looking for all kind of proof that our mighty sling was used in this place during those times.

So this topic is for all proof of Celtic slinging in Gaul before the Roman Occupation and other legends and stories about Celtic slinging.

Feel free to contribute, in whatever language you find info, so that I can show how great slinging is through the Ages !
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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2014 at 3:22pm
 
First is Thearos with :
Thearos wrote on Jan 23rd, 2014 at 7:40am:
publication of an "oppidum" at Pennes-Mirabeau (near Marseilles)

Fig. 7 shows you one of the "many heaps of slingstones" on this site. You might be amused to try to determine the size and weight-- I'd say "small egg" and perhaps ca. 100g.

Fig 12 shows you the arrangement for displaying skulls on the fort's gates.

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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2014 at 3:36pm
 
This mighty researcher also found several great informations :
Thearos wrote on Mar 14th, 2013 at 6:19am:
Incendiary clay bullets in Belgium, 350 bC (French) info of a La Tène I (say 350 BC) dig with "incendiary clay sling bullets"-- probably identified because such things are mentioned by Caesar. Belgium.

Celtic moulds: Mention of sling bullet moulds found in Celtic forts. Apparently the shape, cylindro-ogival, is typical for the region.

Clay bullets, 300bC, France: Jolly good archaeologist, O. Buchenschutz, reporting on a dig: ca 300 BC, clay sling bullets, from Picardie. Scroll upwards for pics.

Bullets from Paris: Mould for sling bullets (inscribed) found in Paris in 1991. Mention made of sling bullets found Rue d'Ulm. Alas, pictures cannot be shown.


As you can see, a few hundred years before JC (Julius Caesar) is fine, a few years later is not. Yes, I'm a Separatist, ROMANES EUNT DOMUS ! (Or whatever Biggus Dickus says)
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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2014 at 3:38pm
 
I also started to share my finds :
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A bit farther on the way to the North Pole, in Lorraine, near the German border, they found other celtic bullets.
Puddingstone and granite, from 5*4 cm to 15*7cm (length*diameter)
Source : Here, p 212


The largest stone is 6 inches by 3 (around each time). Seems a bit large for me Shocked


More another day...
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Reply #4 - May 16th, 2014 at 11:57pm
 
sometimes I sling stuff of that size for long range accuracy practice.
It doesn't look that damaging until you consider I am lobbing brick-sized stones(almost) over 100 yards.
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Reply #5 - May 24th, 2014 at 2:21pm
 
squirrelslinger wrote on May 16th, 2014 at 11:57pm:
I am lobbing brick-sized stones(almost) over 100 yards.



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Reply #6 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 4:22pm
 
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A dig in France finds many lots of slingable stones !
Here is the linky : http://www.uxellodunum.com/media/documents/Etude%20galets%20Loulie%20fevrier%202...

Also attached in pdf in case the Internet take it down !

With nice tables to sort the weight and kind of stone !
for my time, they range from 30grams to 2000... Who whant to play "Catch it with your teeth" with me ?

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And 150 000 stones from 125 before the crucified
It's another place but what a find !

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Reply #8 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 1:00am
 
Man I wish I knew french so I could read that dig site document Caldou posted..

It looks very intriguing as sling stone size is a subject of debate around these parts  Tongue
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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 7:19am
 
Don't you have the same numbers in english ? Am I mistaken ? :p

The Gaul stones tables start on p.19. They are stones that were used in battle (found among other weapons and bones)

Other tables are about neolithic and Bronze Age stones Smiley

If you want to know the translation of some words, you can ask here Smiley even if I don't plan to translate the whole doc !
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 9:04am
 
Caldou wrote on Aug 2nd, 2015 at 7:19am:
Don't you have the same numbers in english ? Am I mistaken ? :p

The Gaul stones tables start on p.19. They are stones that were used in battle (found among other weapons and bones)

Other tables are about neolithic and Bronze Age stones Smiley

If you want to know the translation of some words, you can ask here Smiley even if I don't plan to translate the whole doc !

lol true. But aside from the chart part on p. 19, in some spots I couldn't tell if a number represented a stone size or the distance from a certain building it was found or what.. so a translation to English would be very helpful.

I was using a bad translator. I forgot about google translator so I'll just use that, but thank you very much  Smiley

& Thanks for posting the document!
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 10:31am
 
Had a quick look at the first thing-- is the site Uxellodunum ? Needs careful reading

I just scanned the bit on the Latenian (i.e. Gauls vs Romans), and notice how much heavier the slingstones are than in Neolithic or Bronze age. They mostly come in two weights: say 8-120 gr (let's call these "flyers"), and 150-300g, the category I have called "smashers"-- big heavy stones for lots of impact. The smashers slightly outnumber the flyers-- as they should: this is war slinging, against armoured opponents, in siege contexts (which often create killing zones).
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Reply #12 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 10:42am
 
This is how interpret E20 (p. 6):

1. The Gauls occupied a position in front of the cliff or fortif. and shot sling-stones at the Romans as the latter surged up the valley.

2. The Romans responded by accurate catapult fire and archery to drive off the Gauls

3. The Gauls fell back to a position out of range or sheltered from Roman heavy fire. The Roman infantry advanced. It was stopped a first time (first concentration of sling-stones), then charged and stopped for the second time (second concentration), before the Gauls scattered while keeping up harassing fire (scatter of sling-stones up the slope).
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Reply #13 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 2:22am
 
Wish I could've seen the third bit. Can you imagine the adrenaline!

Does it say much about the numbers of fighters involved on both sides ? I gave up on translating.
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Reply #14 - Aug 8th, 2015 at 4:09am
 
No, this is Thearos reading of the stones and metallic pieces Smiley
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