Thearos, the above comment about reasonable accuracy distances I find to be just another example of people speaking from their own experiences rather than what the sling is actually capable off.  I've had good accuracy out to 40-50 meters.  My only problem accuracy-wise has been that I do far more experimenting than practicing a given style so I never end up mastering a style before moving on.  40-50 meters is completely reasonable for the sling. Probably further with metal ammo.

As far as pulling left, that is user error my friend.  Since it's an inanimate object the sling cannot choose when or how to release. When you fix the problem in your technique or gear that is causing it, it will disappear.

You can play the distances up or down as you wish. But I'll be glad to see people hit things they aim for at 50 m.

Thearos wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2014 at 2:08pm:


"Sigh", why are you so defiant!     

1. This does not require over stressing! It really isn't that hard to sling flat if you have proper form. Flat-lining is like drawing a bow to full draw with a hunting weight arrow, lobbing is like short drawing with a war arrow, you just aren't utilizing the sling to its full potential.

It would take a healthier person to flat-line a 7.5 oz. stone but its definitely doable. I know I keep promising a video but the weather has really taken a turn for the worst lately (single digits and snow as of lately). As soon as I can, I will weigh and make a video flat lining such unnecessarily large rocks.

2. This isn't any easier to control. Most people find accuracy just as well flat-lining, including most of the best slingers I've seen. Most slingers that I've seen really go towards 1 (Look at the poll! Lobbers barely beat the people that kick rocks. ).
It simply isn't normal or natural to sling such large rocks and it really cuts down on the versatility of the sling if they only way you can get power is through the gravity of a large stone. That cuts out tennis ball, golf balls, most concrete glans, clay glans, lead glans, racquet balls, and any rock smaller than a clementine.

By the Rules of Dodging, It would be easier to dodge a large slow moving object than a fast reasonably sized one. I have experience being a teenage guy playing "Toss Rock" and "Catch Spear" (which is really a Staff if it makes you feel better). I know it is possible to dodge both, but that really isn't as relevant when you have 500 coming towards you every few seconds.

5. No they don't. That is arcing, or flat-lining on an angle. We've been over this numerous times. It is often utilized with much smaller ammunition and significant amounts of strength (to maximize KE at longer distance). Think of it as though you were slinging at a bird with an egg sized stone. You aren't going to try to drop the stone on top of the bird, you'll sling hard to get the stone there quickly so you don't have to lead too much. Now if the stone misses the bird and keeps going off into the distance, you have successfully arced a shot, with strength and finesse. 

I'm not defiant. I'm correct.

Haha, yes I do. Saying the right answers over and over again doesn't make them wrong though, same goes vice versa for the lobbers too.   

1. We have been over this. But you said that flat-lining was overdrawing with flight arrows, I said it was full draw with normal weight arrows and I stand by my position. Over drawing would be like stressing the bow a little more to get more out of it. You can flat-line the with the same power at any distance and add a little angle as you get further out. Pretty much every projectile (even bullets at short range) travel on some kind of parabola. It isn't the eventual necessary existence of the arc that is in question, it's the method of throwing in relation to the ammunition weight.


2. I am mostly basing this on personal experience. I have lobbed a few hundred shots and it feels unnatural, I can still be decently accurate, but not as accurate as I can be flat-lining. Everything else regarding this I've already said before.

5. We went over this too, its "whanging on an angle" if you'd like. It would be long distance lobbing if you kept using the 7oz rocks, maintained a similar amount of power behind the throw (around 65%), and just increased the angle as the target gets further out.


They aren't too far apart in power, but my argument is that if the lobbers advantage is in ammunition weight, a healthy flat-liner could throw a same-weight stone much harder. This would make regular flat-lining like a 9mm, with lobbing being a .38 and flat-lining heavy stones being a .357. Mass trumps velocity in stopping power, yes. However a good flat-liner can match both, so its not really a plus to the lobbing side.



Alright, I think we've said everything that we can say in the great flat-lining/lobbing debate of 2013/2014. This has been a really fun debate and I believe very informative for everyone. However, it has seemed that we have reached a standstill regarding what we can discuss (we've gone in circles a few times here). This information is here for anyone who wants to view it and we can let each slinger decide which is best for them and if anyone asks about it we can just refer them to this thread instead of doing all of this over again. 

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Dan, EM, Theros and Masi all have a different definition of lobbing.  Each needs to clearly state what you consider lobbing and what you consider throwing.

And how you throw is important, too.  At least a couple of people on here seem to consider all lobbing to be underhand, similar to throwing a softball.

wow I missed a lot during my move.......

All I can say now is..... good job Dan...... at reasserting the truth.

Thearos wrote on Jan 6^th, 2014 at 2:12pm:



No.... lobbing is a cancer that plagues slingers who do not have the patience to learn how to flat line.......