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Sep 4th, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
Today,me and an archeologist went to see some ceramic projectiles in a museum bout 75km from my place.
There was also a brick with a COH III HISP stamp on it,and there are two stones with inscriptions mentioning the prefect of the COH HISP. nearby. There was a fort near Enlaka,where this Cohort was stationed.
I'm a bit excited,because equites cohors means mixed troops of cavalry and foot. From 500-1000 strong,depending,we don't know exactly,for now . Usually about 2/3 infantry. And they found ceramic sling ammo,still need to be confirmed if around the fort.  That could mean Hispanic or even balearic slingers were stationed in that fort.
I'm just too excited,and searching for more info on this. With permission from the "boss" of the museum we took out the balls, measured their diameter,and their weight. 12 pieces. 10 were 100-130g (which what i make and use) and two would have been about 200g ,but they had pieces broken off,like many of the smaller ones. I've seen very similar pieces broken off of my ceramic balls after impacting hard surfaces. They all had sand mixed in,which is totally sane and normal,so they could fire them without bursting such thick and solid ceramic pieces. Felt good to hold them in hand,and of course they felt very familiar,just something i would make for battle. The smaller caliber for range pounding,and the big ones for closer helmet crushers. They are turned up with their intact side up.The smaller calibers are around 50mm diam.
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Reply #1 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 5:00pm
 
Most interesting
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Reply #2 - Sep 4th, 2013 at 6:20pm
 

Thats great! Now that you have seen the real thing, could you do a tutorial on how to reproduce them?
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Reply #3 - Sep 5th, 2013 at 1:11am
 
Yes. Take clay,add about 10-15% sand (if the clay doesn't have it naturally mixed in) mix it in well, roll a ball ,leave to dry,fire them,sling. Cheesy    These weren't made in a form,or measured to be very precisely the same weights. judging by their weight range,they were just hand made, with general feel for their size/weight.
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Reply #4 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:45pm
 
This is a great find! Thanks for sharing with us. Smiley
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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:24pm
 
do you really need to fire creekbed clay? every time I try they go kaboom.
I even dried 4 of them for almost 3 months. In the sun. took them in every night.
they still went boom. i know there is plenty of sand- I didn't do much beyond force the clay through wire screen to get rid of pebbles and organic crud.
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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 4:48pm
 
fantastic find. Thumbs Up

But it doesn't necessarily mean there were mercenary slingers attached to the 'romans'. Might simply have been the legionnaires hunting ammo. Plus roman soldiers were trained in sling usage.

Is there any evidence that balearic slingers used clay ammo ?
I'd have thought that would have been something that would have passed down the generations - don't they pretty much all use stones these day ?
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Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 1:04pm
 
One thing is sure: they were hispanic mercenaries over here,and there was sling ammo found.
Not even sure if there were roman legionaries stationed in the castrum. It's a long search with the archeologist guy to find out a bit more info on this.

About balearic slingers using ceramic: I think if they run out of stones,or were positioned in a place with crappy stones around,and they were sitting ducks in the castrum for 10+ years,they just might have made some clay ammo and fired it.
True,we don't know for sure if there were any mercenary slingers there. Just there were mercenaries and slingers,and possibly romans. I just pointed out that there might be a smoking gun over there.
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Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 4:17pm
 
Not mercs, but infantry auxiliaries as part of the cohors equitata-- i.e. non legionary, non-citizen infantry. Could be for infantry use (and I posed earlier links showing the surprising prevalence of clay ammo in Roman forts), could of course be for use on horseback.
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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 4:29pm
 
Oops,thanks for the correction Thearos.
So auxiliary troops were conquered nations folk forced to serve or given an option to serve,and after 25 years or so they could be roman citizens?
Would you clear this for me? it's too late to google and get into this kind of detailing Tongue
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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 4:42pm
 
DUring the republic, some might be volunteer mercs, some might be conscripts from allies or delivered as part of military obligations.

During the empire, auxiliaries are professional soldiers, volunteers, and as you say, after 25 years, they get citizenship.
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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2013 at 1:49am
 
Thanks! I found it funny how: after 25 years of service you get roman citizenship. In that time they saw quite a few battles,and given their positions which were given and the survival rates of those ancient battles,I think not many of them lived to see their roman citizenship.
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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 12:59am
 
I just found some molded ceramic sling ammo from Malaga.
Lightweight,from 42-52g,for distance slinging,mass produced.
So perhaps Balearic slingers also used ceramic. Why not? If they were famous for accuracy,and molded ceramic ammo can give you way better consistency than even selected stones..

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_detail...
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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 6:16am
 
The Curator's comment made me curious.

959-63 are like peas in a pod. There is a similar specimen in the Greek and Roman collection, 1864,0115.1 (TER).

The result of my search:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_detail...)

Similar weight, similar shape, also with ridge line but different location (Africa,Tunisia,Carthage). Seems that a pattern is establishing.  Smiley
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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 6:56am
 
They may have been manufactured in the same series of moulds, in one place or carried on campaigns...
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