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Reply #15 - Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:56pm
 
if i understand your math correctly, it seems like it is more of a guess as to how distance affects accuracy. not a concrete formula that makes all distances fair. so it's probably better to get scores at different distances from people and then make a graph with it that we can publish.
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Reply #16 - Jun 9th, 2013 at 9:53pm
 
CodeMaker wrote on Jun 9th, 2013 at 7:56pm:
if i understand your math correctly, it seems like it is more of a guess as to how distance affects accuracy. not a concrete formula that makes all distances fair. so it's probably better to get scores at different distances from people and then make a graph with it that we can publish.

Percent hits on the y axis, distance on x. Line graph.
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Reply #17 - Jun 9th, 2013 at 10:47pm
 
Are you sure that would be a linear function? Eventually, the target will visually diminish more per meter as you go to a further and further range. Also, the effects cited of elevation, windage, and precieved target surface are going to come into it at a higher rate the longer the range.
Either way it will work, I was mostly thinking of the ease of operation, and fact that the balearic system uses something similar.
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Reply #18 - Jun 9th, 2013 at 11:25pm
 
no, it wont be linear. i'll probably end up linearizing it though in order to make myself a nice simple equation. i do agree that it would be easier to set up a simple method like yours, but i'm afraid it might handicap a few distances and give an advantage to a few others. i'd rather put a little more effort in and make an accurate point adjusting method. are you sure the Balearic system works like that? i thought they just had set distances.
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Reply #19 - Jun 10th, 2013 at 12:38am
 
The balearic system uses different distances, but the scores go up at the farther distances. Therefore, they have a similar system, if not designed for scalability.

I agree a linear function would be easier to work with. Perhaps a larger table of distances and scores would be necessary, with the formula attached for those who want to be overly precise.

The advantages to a "3/5 @ 50" system are that it relies on the diana hits first to win, then board hits for tie-breaking and more specific ranking.  However, like the Balearic system, you'd have to have a score at every distance to truely show your skill over the range continuum. But a straight point system has no respect for range: one hit on diana at 100 meters could loose to five board hits at 20, with the bull still intact.

I think that's a factor worth thinking about, since we are aiming to reward propper marksmanship, not almost-marksmanship.
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Reply #20 - Jun 14th, 2013 at 10:32pm
 
Agreed on the daina. Shotgun slings allowed? Wink
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Reply #21 - Jun 15th, 2013 at 9:49pm
 
No shotgunning. That defeats the purpose, unless you're shooting skeet.

Otherwise, how do these point systems deal with this issue of diana vs board?
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Reply #22 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 3:25am
 
Me thinks,there is a "spread angle",which would be very simple to calculate.(don't like math much).
A 20m radius circle's perimeter is 125m.
At 20m an average slinger has let's say 2.08m spread (sidearm,overhand diff planes).
That would be 125m/60 =2.08m ; 360/60= 6 degrees.

A 40m radius circle has a perimeter of 251m,divided by 60=4.18m
So there would be pretty close to 2 times the spread from 20 to 40m. So a score multiplier of 2 should be fair.

At 10m (10m radius circle) the perimeter is 62.8m. Divided by 60 to get the same 6 degree spread=1.04m

At 30m the perimeter of the 30m radius circle is 188.49m
Divided by 60=3.14

So at 3 times the distance,the spread is 3.01 times more. Of course these spread widths are not quite straight lines because they are segments of the perimeter of a big circle,but at 6 degrees it's pretty close.

Phew,wouldn't have thought that it's this simple,whatcha think?
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Reply #23 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 2:30pm
 
Who's diana???
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Reply #24 - Jun 16th, 2013 at 3:00pm
 
SS, nice shooting on that plywood. You're putting some power in there.
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