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Slinging mentioned in Ancient Warfare magazine
Apr 16th, 2013 at 3:49pm
 
This issue of Ancient Warfare magazine has a Celtic theme.
There's an article by Lindsay Powell on the Siege of Maiden Castle in 44 AD by the Romans.
  A section of the article mentions the defenders using slings in defense against the Romans.
  " Grabbing pebbles from their caches, stone throwers urgently scrambled onto the ramparts ready for action. Equipped with slings of  braided flax, hemp, or wool, each about 61-100 cm (2-3.3ft.) in length, a practiced warrior could throw a stone over a distance of 400m (1,312 ft.). A flying stone striking the head could kill a man."
  I would like to know where he got the figures and distances.
   " The Roman legate critically assessed the situation. Faced with a potential rainstorm of deadly slingshot, he decided to keep his distance and deploy his artillery pieces and units of archers with their compound bows. Roman tension and torsion weapons could shoot sharps and arrows over hundreds of metres, depending on the size. A small catapult launching a 91.5 cm (36in.) bolt  could even hit a target  some 370m (1213ft.) away."
  There is a nice picture of the Celtic slingers in action.
  Any opinions on the info?   
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Reply #1 - Apr 16th, 2013 at 5:20pm
 

He would have to be exceptional to get a stone over 400 metres. Only Larry Bray has done that, and he flung himself to the ground to do it. If they said 300 metres that would extremely good, but with the advantage of height it is believable.  Any chance you could reproduce the picture here?
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Reply #2 - Apr 16th, 2013 at 6:24pm
 
I agree with Bill, although height advantages are rather signifigant. I can sling around 25% farther with a 30 foot height advantage.
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Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2013 at 7:18pm
 
Slightly off topic,

Badger I assume you subscribe to the magazine and therefore most likely read the previous edition concerning the battle of Telamon? If so does it mention slingers? Any chance of posting the pics from that article tool?
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Reply #4 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:23am
 
Compound bows?  I had the impression that around this time the best a long bow could manage was about 200-250 meters..  I know there must have been crossbows around that time, but you didn't generally deploy those things in mass formations..
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Reply #5 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:17am
 
They had an early form of compound bow that didn't use cams and pulley's, but an extra upright short stave at the front of the bow, attached only at the handgrip. Cordage ran from the top and bottom of this short stave up and down (as applicable) to the notching points. This stave created extra power on release. Of course, also unlike a modern compound, it didn't have a letoff point. It only got harder the more you drew back.


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Reply #6 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:54am
 
I don't have any way to prove it, but I've read that the Penobscot (that is the name of the bow you describe) may have been a quite "recent" scam (early 20th cent)
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Reply #7 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 5:21am
 

When they say 'compound' they are using the word in an older, academic sense. Before cams and pulleys, the name 'compound' was given to horn/sinew recurved bows from the east.

Now that the cammed monstrosities exist, horn/sinew bows are called 'composite' in everyday use, but the academic use of 'compound' remains.
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Reply #8 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 7:13am
 
3 foot sling and a stone - 300m metres would be around the sensible maximum.

But then feet inches and metres didn't exist in 44ad so who knows what distances were actually claimed.
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Reply #9 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 8:53am
 
I think the Romans had a uniform measurement but I forget what it was called.  I'm pretty sure the Celts did also, it's what the inch, foot and yard came from.
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Reply #10 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 1:08pm
 
As David said, Compound = Composite = Horn and sinew bows.

Those are the Pensbocot bows and there are many theories that it was a scam. Plus, that was really the only area (If it is true) to utilze that style of 'backing', so its really safe to say that's not the kind of bow refered to here. The design does work, but it wasn't really prevelent historically.

I'm skeptical about the distance but I don't doubt that slinger's might have been utilized in that battle, just not at that distance.



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Reply #11 - Apr 19th, 2013 at 10:42am
 
Aside from he composite bow of the romans(they might got the idea of scythian/sauramatian tribes from the east or thracians) a sling stone hurled meters is really great...But as far as i know this is the maximum so far(as far as world record goes). I thinks that CA is the closest to reality 1 meter long sling to  300 meters distance with about 100-200 gram stone...Everything outside this range is a work of a giant
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Reply #12 - Apr 20th, 2013 at 8:39pm
 
Compound / composite bows were used by the Syrian archers employed in auxiliary units by the Romans. Source: Trajan's column, and I think various gravestones of auxiliaries.
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Reply #13 - Apr 20th, 2013 at 9:30pm
 
I always thought composite bows do not suit the climate of europe as the damp and wet dissolves the fish glue used to hold the component parts together? Although in the late Roman empire the battle of Chalons in France featured Hunnic horse archers, so they must have been able to use their bows?
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Reply #14 - Apr 21st, 2013 at 3:38am
 
Lugh-Lamhfada wrote on Apr 20th, 2013 at 9:30pm:
I always thought composite bows do not suit the climate of europe as the damp and wet dissolves the fish glue used to hold the component parts together? Although in the late Roman empire the battle of Chalons in France featured Hunnic horse archers, so they must have been able to use their bows?


Hungary was home to very active composite bow horse archers for centuries. The weather there is absolutely typical of Europe generally. The water sensitive parts of a bow were covered with paper-thin birchbark. 
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