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Swiss Arrow
Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:10am
 
I searched the site for a bit and can't find any threads dedicated to the swiss arrow. I made three a while back and dabbled with it fora while, but I just cannot get the throw right. I'm not getting any power behind it. If it helps at all I am using wooden dowels 3/8" x 36" with duct tape fletching and field points as well as a jute string. I think they're weighted fine, because if I throw them by hand they fly true and much further than when I try using the string.

This is such an effective weapon when used correctly, plus it's so lightweight and portable. I'd really like to gain some proficiency. Any help is appreciated  Smiley
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Re: Swiss Arrow
Reply #1 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:21am
 
Go down and look at the amentum vs atlatl thread.  Check out some of David's videos..

Your point is not heavy enough.  You will need at least 300-400  (one ounce) grains to make it work right, and a larger shaft will help, go up to 1/2 inch,  basically a Swiss arrow is a short spear thrown with an amentum.
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Reply #2 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 11:36am
 
Gotcha. So I essentially just have three wooden arrows? I'll have to give them a go out of my bow and see if I might can use them somehow.
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Reply #3 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 4:50pm
 
I researched these superficially a while back. The wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_arrow basically has the "how to" for british schoolboys. Includes some dimensions. Possibly worth the look.
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Reply #4 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 7:12pm
 
Pathfinder dart AKA Swiss Arrow :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCyKrQDFA28
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Reply #5 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
If those are poplar, when you shorten them to 30 inches or so, most will spine out around 50 pounds.  I made a lot of squirrel arrows from 3/8th poplar.  I used hex nuts for the point, found some moth eaten feathers that were really cheap, (I tossed them in the freezer for a week, problem solved), bought bulk nocks, didn't bother to paint them.  I only have one fletch clamp, I made an arrow a night for the summer, shot them up during squirrel season.  Great fun and good eats.
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Reply #6 - Mar 31st, 2013 at 10:23pm
 
Increasing the weight of the point worked well! The only way I could do it with what I had on hand was to use two sockets, one that fit snugly on the dowel with a larger one on top of that. I secured it with electrical tape and it throws SO MUCH better now. I was starting to think It was me that was the problem. I hate being the problem. I plan to go pick up some bigger dowels tomorrow.
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Reply #7 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 1:43am
 
i played around with many throwable stuff and it got clear,that without much leverage assisting aid ,one needs at least half a pound of weight to be able transfer decent amount of energy into the projectile.

With leverage this weight can go down to as little as 2 ounces (long thin sling with lead gland)
For a swiss arrow a 4-8 ounce weight should be quite good,depending on length,air resistance,etc.
I threw atlatl,amentum spear,spear,sling,by hand,and some kind of swiss arrow too.
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Reply #8 - Apr 1st, 2013 at 3:03pm
 
ILovepancakes, your points are coming....
Anyway, Honeysuckle shoots make good swiss arrows... I have played around with them a bit.
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Re: Swiss Arrow
Reply #9 - Apr 3rd, 2013 at 7:54am
 
squirrelslinger wrote on Apr 1st, 2013 at 3:03pm:
ILovepancakes, your points are coming....
Anyway, Honeysuckle shoots make good swiss arrows... I have played around with them a bit.


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I have made quite a few Swiss Arrows, modeled them after Dave Canterbury's design. Just using field points I can get about 60-70 yards range and up to the fletching penetration on a couple of layers of cardboard with 1/4 by 36 inch oak dowel rods.
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Re: Swiss Arrow
Reply #10 - Apr 4th, 2013 at 10:33pm
 
I never had any luck with anything that small and light, my experiance mirrors Jlasud's, its got to have some weight to work well.
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
Topic added to the PW's index.
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Re: Swiss Arrow
Reply #12 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:42am
 

Here is a video of a German kid making a throwing arrow, 8 mm x 1 m , three feather fletches, nail and two large hex nuts as the point. Interestingly his string is fixed to the tail and extends about half way along the shaft, ending in a loop. The tip of the index finger goes in the loop and the string trails after the dart in flight.

This is pretty close to the description of the Kern dart, a throwing arrow or light javelin with a fixed throwing thong used by Irish light infantry in the middle ages, equivalent to the peltasts of the classical Greek military. The Kern were also slingers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_(soldier)

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