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Re: Reconstruction of a hypothetical Picenian slin
Reply #15 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:43am
 
Fundibularius wrote on Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:15am:
Would not "stretching" the sling before a fig8 rather be in a vertical instead of a horizontal position? That's what I would do, anyway.

I really don't know. I find it (found it - I havn't been able to sling for some time Sad) very natural to go from what seems like the 'ready' position seen on the coins into a figure eight. It is little more than drawing the arm back to its fullest extent and then, having allowed the sling to pass around the 'other side' of the arm launch in to the throwing motion.

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I don't want to say that fig8 or the other two styles didn't exist back then, but my opinion is that overhead was far more common due to a number of reasons. And, sorry, I don't mean what is usually called "Greek" style here by saying "overhead". Helicopter is the word (several rotations above your throwing shoulder, with variable angles).
I realise you don't mean 'Greek' style - it's just this was the conjectured action drawn originally from the coin illustrations.

I suppose the difficulty I have is how horizontal was the plane of the sling during the wind-up? It doesn't seem to confer any advantage to have the plane passing over the head in a generally horizontal plane rather than in a more vertical plane which would tend to avoid the head gear.
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Our gallery of antique slingers  http://slinging.org/index.php?mact=Album,m5,default,1&m5albumid=4&m5returnid=53&... shows some of them in full action. The only ones who wear "high" head gear are the Assyrians, all others have flat helmets or caps or hair nets on or even go bare-headed.

I agree with you about the head gear, but I'm unsure how much to attribute that to necessities of a slinging style. I simply don't know.
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Reply #16 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 6:52am
 
Three rotations above the head is explicitly attested in Latin sources (I think Virgil, and Vegetius, who says one is actually better). Of course, these are not from Greek sources. But I would agree with Fundi. that the starting position seen in many Greek visual documents suits helicopter-style best.
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Re: Reconstruction of a hypothetical Picenian slin
Reply #17 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 7:05am
 
Dear friends, I'm glad my topic is evolving in this way, you all are very experienced and I think your opinions are very important for my reconstruction.
Someone suggested me to write a paper, well I already did it because EXARC was going to publish it, but the deadline was last 1st of November and I was engaged in my training at that date.
Therefore I paste the article here, hopefully it will clarify some points on the equipment I've adopted:

"A Picenian warrior who lived in the 8th Century b.C.: a hypothetical reconstruction.

Iron Age in Central Italy is a period that begins in the 10th Century B.C. and ends as the Romans take control over other Italic populations. Italy is divided longitudinally by the Apennines and the definition “Central Italy” includes the actual Regions Lazio and Toscana on the West side of them, Umbria in the middle, Marche and Abruzzo on the East side of the Apennines. These Regions border on Regions Liguria and Emilia-Romagna on the North, Campania and Molise on the South. We also have the Tyrrhenian Sea on the shores of Lazio and Tuscany, and the Adriatic Sea adjoining Regions Marche and Abruzzo.
Various populations inhabited this territory from the 10th to the early 3rd Century B.C., when the Roman army takes full control of it: Laziali and Sabini in Region Lazio, Etruscans and, from the 5th Century, Celts in Toscana and Emilia Romagna, Umbri in Region Umbria and Picenians in Regions Marche and Abruzzo.
At the beginning of the Iron Age, and until the 8th Century at last, we have evidences of other populations as well, the most ancient being these belonging to the “Sub-Apenninical culture”: Villanova and Proto-Villanovan populations, that seem to have had towns in the Region Marche: Ancona, which is one of the most ancient towns on the Italian shores of the Adriatic, its most ancient evidences dating back to the Neolithic, Fermo and Ascoli Piceno. There are also signs of Eastern European cultures, such as the Illyrians from actual Albania, and other Balkan populations.
Celts conquered the upper half of Region Marche around the 4th Century B.C., founding the town of Sena Gallica, actually Senigallia, 30 kilometers north of Ancona, which by that time was known as the Greek colony of Ankon.

Here’s my hypothetical reconstruction of an Iron Age warrior. This warrior is born and grows up among the Picenians, during the first years of the Orientalising era. Hence he lived between Regions Marche and Abruzzo, between 8th and 7th Century B.C. (Various Authors 2001 pp. 5-35).
The figure that I reconstruct is a middle-class worker; I’ve been inspired by the funerary outfit found in the fisherman-warrior grave in Ancona (Lollini 1972 pp. 117-151, Various Authors 2001 pp. 277-278).
It was the poorness of this outfit, if compared with other graves, that stimulated me to undertake experiments with organic materials, and to propose new interpretations for some archaeological findings.
This study method is applied to the equipment of my warrior, which I’ll describe from top to bottom.

The hat is made of 5 layers of raw linen, glued and sewn together making a cone. It’s a rigid and enveloping headgear, which leaves hearing and visual free. It offers a limited protection against direct blows, but it can be useful in deadening weak blows not aimed directly at  the head. It’s an economical way to protect the head that was widely spread among many Iron Age cultures (Various Authors 2001 pp. 27 and 33, Martinelli 2004 p. 25, Torelli 2000 p. 190, Homerus X 261, Hencken-Saulnier 1971 pp. 27-28, 58, 85 fig. 58, Wary 1980 p. 44. Also compare archaeological findings such as Sardinian and Oscan votive figures stored at the Archaeological Museums in Cagliari, Sassari and Nocera Umbra)  .
The short tunic is made of raw linen; due to the lack of evidences among the Picenians (Various Authors 2008b), I modelled it on the near Etruscan frescoes (Torelli 2000 pp. 344-363), adopting longer sleeves that would give better protection than shorter ones against small abrasions and a small rope as belt.
The kardiophilax is composed of a pectoral and a dorsal disc, one bigger than the other (Various Authors 2001 pp. 120-121, 240-243, 252-254, Various Authors 2008b pp. 209-210). Each of them has been made by pasting together 4 layers of linen, then sewing them to a leather disc, which has been then hardened with boiling salted water. I replicated the suspension system which can be seen on the Guardiagrele Warrior and on the Capestrano Warrior (Various Authors 2001 pp. 240-243), using a leather strap and a smaller string. The decoration represents the chimera, which is typical of the “Paglieta” kardiophilax, dating 8th-7th Century (Various Authors 2001 pp. 120-122, 253). It’s the poor version of the widely spread bronze kardiophilax. Tested against a rock thrown with a sling from a distance of 15 meters, the cuirass absorbed the impact, but it’s not clear what damages the warrior would have taken.
The sword belongs to the “Novilara” type, being a short curved sword, single edged with a thick back and a long tang (Various Authors 2001 pp. 200-201, Lollini 1972 pp. 117-151, Maroni 1992, Varrious Authors 1999 p. 54). Forging it from a raw iron ingot required 6 hours and 6 kilos of vegetal coal, a quench in sweet water followed and the result is a strong iron, enriched with carbon (Fiorentini 2011). The handle is in yew wood, decorated with “dice’s eyes”, and the sheath is in leather, lightly hardened with boiling water and decorated with motifs typical of the era (Peroni 1979, see also unpublished razors at the Archaeological Museum of Ancona). The suspension system with three leather strings has been hypothesized judging by the one seen on the Capestrano Warrior (Various Authors 2001, pp. 240-241), and has been adapted for the use of two bronze rings like these found near the sword of the fisherman-warrior in Ancona (see the unpublished rings stored at the Archaeological Museum of Ancona). This system has proved to be functional for the suspension and drawing of the sword, hence confirming some hypothesis including the speed of pulling a slashing blow (Various Authors 2001 p. 114) and the possibility to obtain the disposition of both sword and rings as the originals in Ancona, making plausible the existence of such a suspension system in that case too.
The sling is made of two leather strings and a pouch; it’s 90 centimeters long and has been used to throw many kind of bullets: irregular shaped stones, rounded stones, replicas of biconical and rounded clay bullets found in Southern Italy (Radmilli 1975 fig. 20), replicas of lead glans found in Ascoli Piceno (Naspi-Radelli 2011) and replicas of the winged lead glans found in Cyprus (Naspi-Radelli 2011, also see www.slinging.org). These various bullets gave different results for  flying speed, air drag and ability to penetrate their targets; the maximum distance achieved was about 140 meters. Further distance tests made with another sling, a shorter braided one, barely reached 60 meters. The use of slings among the Picenians seems proven by the naval battle in the Novilara stele (Fiorentini 2011, Various Authors 2001 p. 33, www.slinging.org), dating 7th Century, and by some unpublished bullets (recent findings in Sirolo).
According to the smallness of the fisherman-warrior funeral outfit, I reconstructed the equipment of a humble warrior, a slinger from the scant economic means. For this reason, and because of the few sources (Various Authors 2001 pp. 256-262, see also unpublished footgear stored at the Archaeological Museum of Chieti), I decided not to realise neither shoes nor sandals.
But my warrior is unshaven, a common practice judging by the great number of retrieved razors (Dall’Osso 1914, Peroni 1979), and has an excellent sword, the first iron weapon that could outmatch bronze ones (Fiorentini 2011, Various Authors 2001 p. 114). His desire to emulate the richest warrior pieces can be seen from the accurate decorations of the sword’s handle and sheath, and of the kardiophilax; a practice that will decline with the  increasing Greek influence, characterized by a standardization of styles, will gain ground in the civilian and military life of the Picenians.


List of references:
Dall’Osso I. 1914, Guida del regio museo Nazionale, Ancona.
Fiorentini M, 2011, ‘Lavorare con il fuoco. La metallurgia fra aspetti tecnici e storici per un’interpretazione antropologica’, teshis, University of Macerata.
Hencken H, Saulnier C 1971, The earliest European helmets, Harvard.
Lollini D G 1972, ‘Sintesi della civiltà Picena’, Jadranska obala u protohistoriji, vol. 23, X.
Maroni G. 1992, La civiltà Picena nelle Marche, Ripatransone.
Martinelli M 2004, La lancia, la spada, il cavallo – il fenomeno guerra nell’Etruria e nell’Italia centrale tra l’età del bronzo e l’età del ferro, Centro stampa regione Toscana, Firenze.
Naspi A. Radelli E 2011, ‘S(hort) M(essage) S(ervice) ante litteram – antichi proiettili iscritti e insulti di guerra’, Forma Vrbis, year XVI no. 2.
Omero, Iliade, X.
Peroni 1979, ‘I rasoi nell’Italia continentale’, Prähistorische Bronzefunde: Rasiermesser, vol. 2, Abt. VIII, C. H. Beck’sche Verlagsbuchhandlung.
Radmilli A. 1975, Guida alla preistoria Italiana, Sansoni, Firenze.
Torelli M 2000, Gli Etruschi, Bompiani, Cinisello Balsamo.
Various Authors 2001, Eroi e regine – Piceni popolo d’Europa, Edizioni De Luca, Roma.
Various Authors 2008a, Giulio Cesare – l’uomo le imprese il mito, Silvana, Roma.
Various Authors 1999, Piceni popolo d’Europa, De Luca, Roma.
Various Authors 2008b, Potere e splendore – gli antichi Piceni a Matelica, L’Erma di Bretschneider, Torino.
Wary J 1980, Warfare in the classical world, London.
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Re: Reconstruction of a hypothetical Picenian slin
Reply #18 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 7:18am
 
Just a couple of notes on the article above:

- I didn't made the war belt at that time, which is the leather belt you can see in the picture at the beginning of this topic.
- I modified the sword's suspension system since I wrote the article, and it is now much more effective and stable while moving.
- Information on slings and slinging are not definitive, as I'm not exactly a skilled slinger  Smiley Feel free to add your experiences on this!

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Reply #19 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 10:19am
 
As far as you not being a skilled slinger, you are head and shoulders above the rest of the authors who have published articles about slingers.  Second, you are doing research that is making the past more understandable, you had to modify certain parts of your outfit to make them work, such as your sword sheath.  There is a large difference between what looks like it will work and what actually works.  Now practice slinging and see what actually works compared to what everyone thought worked.  And then publish the results, that way, the informations doesn't get lost again.  And who knows, if you publish enough, people will start referencing you as the expert.  Because you will be, and you will have done it through practicle application.
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Reply #20 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Now that's a true encouragement!
Thank you Bill, but I don't think I deserve that much! I'm quite embarassed now and don't know how to put it, but I just try to follow the logic of things... I thought that this cap was a good protection, but Fundibularious's doubts on it made totally sense to me! Then Caldou came proposing some styles that wouldn't be affected by the cap - intelligent opinion too.
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Reply #21 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 11:03am
 
Mauro Fiorentini wrote on Feb 8th, 2013 at 10:27am:

All I have to do now is try how it works  Smiley
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Yes, practice is the only way to go. Thanks to you, and keep us informed.

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Reply #22 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 7:34am
 
Hallo people,
I resume this post just to let you know that these editors were so kind to contact me again and ask me about the article; they're going to publish it in an online (I think) volume that will be out next 15th of June  Wink
This's the journal: www.Journal.EXARC.net
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Reply #23 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 1:15pm
 
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Reply #24 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 3:44pm
 
You didn't change the unshaven to clean shaven !

Or is that not the copy you actually sent them ?
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Reply #25 - Mar 5th, 2013 at 4:41pm
 
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Reply #26 - Mar 6th, 2013 at 5:19am
 

You havent specified how the sling was measured, i.e. folded length or end-to-end. I think you should also mention that other modern slingers get greater distances with the same ammo.
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Reply #27 - Mar 6th, 2013 at 5:44am
 
Thanks David, you're right about the length, I attached a picture of the slinger wielding the sling (the one you can see in my sign) and I hope it will make clear that the sling is 90 centimeters folded  Undecided
As for the results, I hope the references to the forum will be enough to tempt the reader and make him take a look at our site  Grin
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Reply #28 - Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:23am
 
Guys, I need some help!
I'm about to publish my article and the last amendments they asked me is about footnotes.

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Concerning the footnote: I think you need to put book titles into italics, put page reference in parenthesis (page 27, 33) and write figure in full. That would make the situation clear for everybody.



This is an example of the footnote as I wrote them:

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Alfieri N. 1990, I porti e gli approdi. La viabilità dall’Esino al Tronto. in Vie del commercio in Emilia Romagna Marche, Cinisello Balsamo.



I can't understand how should I modify it.
The book's title is already in Italics, I will add page references but what does it mean "write figure in full"?????
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Reply #29 - Mar 28th, 2013 at 11:38am
 
I think they want something like "Mauro Fiorentini" instead of "Fiorentini M.".
And I find it sad, since your presented them correctly for a librairian (and scholar) point of view (if we forgive the lack of pages Wink )
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