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Braiding a "Balearic" sling: Focus on "The Belly"
Jan 27th, 2013 at 3:34pm
 
Hello together

In this thread I want to discuss the making of only one certain point in a braided sling: The belly (Thanks to Jaegoor for naming it!).
It is the point were you connect the two arms of the pouch again and start to braid the release cords. I realized that there are different ways to make this part, especially if you work with a higher amount of strands in your braid. So the questions are: How do you connect the two arms and what do you think is the best way regarding stability, flexibility of the sling, required handcrafting skills, and on and on.

I myself came up with two main ways. The first (and easiest) way is if you just take the strands of each arm and lay them on top of each other. E.g. The left bundle of strands of the left arm of the pouch goes on top of the left bundle of strands of the right arm of the pouch. This results in a finished braid where the left arm will lie on top of the right arm before the release cord starts. This situation is displayed in the picture below.

You may sort the braids a little bit different (e.g. make strands with strings/fibers from the left and right arm of the pouch or make strands with only strings from the left arm and strands with strings only from the right arm and eventually one "mixed" strand) but this has from my experience no major influence on the final braid.

Translation to German:

In diesem Thread will ich einen einzigen Punkt in einer geflochtenen Schleuder diskutieren: Den Bauch (Besten Dank an Jaegoor für die Namensgebung!). Dies ist der Punkt wo die beiden Arme des Briefes verbunden werden um man mit dem Knüpfen des Schusslaufes beginnt. Ich habe festgestellt, dass es verschiedene Möglichkeiten gibt, diesen Übergang zu knüpfen, speziell wenn man mit vielen Strängen arbeitet. Die Fragen sind also: Wie verbindest du die Briefe der Schleuder und was denkst du ist die beste Art wenn man die Eigenschaften der Schleuder betrachtet (Stabilität, Flexibilität der Schleuder, benötigte Fertigkeit und so weiter).

Ich selbst habe zwei Wege gefunden. Der erste und einfachste ist, einfach die Stränge beider Arme übereinander zu legen. Als Beispiel: Der linke Bündel des linken Arms legt man auf den linken Bündel des rechten Arms des Briefes. Das resultiert in einem Geflecht, wo der linke Arm auf dem rechten liegen wird. Diese Art zeigt das untere Foto.

Man kann die Fäden in den einzelnen Bündeln ein wenig unterschiedlich sortieren. Das hat aber aus meiner Erfahrung keinen Einfluss auf das Endresultat. Als Bsp. für die Sortierung: Man macht die Stränge des Schusslaufes jeweils aus einem Gemisch aus Fäden oder man macht die Stränge des Schusslaufes jeweils nur aus Fäden des rechten / linken Arms des Briefes und eventuell noch einen einzigen gemischten Strang.
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Re: Braiding a "Balearic" sling: Focus on "The Bel
Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 3:34pm
 
The second way is a bit more complicated. You braid the left strands of the right arm of the pouch through the right strands of the left arm of the pouch. This results in a "interlocked" braid in which both arms lie parallel to each other. This braid is displayed in the attached photo.

I personally favour this way as the sling gets flatter.

Do you have an other way, other ideas or comments?


German translation:

Die zweite Variante ist ein wenig komplizierter. Man flicht die rechten Stränge des linken Arms des Briefes durch die linken Stränge des rechten Arms. Das ergibt am Ende dann ein "verzahntes" Geflecht in welchem beide Arme nebeneinander liegen. Dies ist im angehängten Photo dargestellt.

Ich persönlich bevorzuge diese Variante, da die Schleuder flacher wird.

Kennst du einen anderen Weg oder hast du weitere Ideen / Kommentare?

Modified: Some english grammar and typos
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Reply #2 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 3:45pm
 
Addendum: The motivation to start this thread was the fact, that I wasn't able to find pictures with a high enough resolution to figure out what was actually made. So if you post pictures please make sure to show both sides of the sling and that the pictures are sharp enough. Thanks!

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Nachtrag: Die Motivation um diesen Thread zu starten war, dass ich keine Bilder fand, die eine genug hohe Auflösung hatten um das Geflecht zu verstehen. Wenn ihr also Bilder anhängt, stellt bitte sicher, dass beide Seiten der Schleuder dargestellt sind und die Bilder scharf genug sind. Besten Dank dafür!
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Reply #3 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:01pm
 
Nice pictures Smiley

I prefer making my belly with your second style, but I often find it difficult to do it without making mistakes, or making it look messy.
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Reply #4 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:25pm
 
What makes a sling Balearic?  Those look like normal braided slings to me.
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Re: Braiding a "Balearic" sling: Focus on "The Bel
Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2013 at 9:02pm
 
ninja-slinger wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:25pm:
What makes a sling Balearic?  Those look like normal braided slings to me.



Balearic slings are named for the sling used in the Balearic Islands. The difference between a normal braided sling and a Balearic style sling is that a Balearic style sling splices in extra cords as you get close to the pouch then tapers out in the release cord.

This makes the pouch wider and heavier for better ammuniton retention and feel.



I've always just layed the fibers overtop of each other.  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 5:33am
 
GeneralMushroom wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:01pm:
Nice pictures Smiley

I prefer making my belly with your second style, but I often find it difficult to do it without making mistakes, or making it look messy.


Could you post just two pictures of the inner side and outer side of the belly? I want to see, if we are doing exactly the same thing or if you do something slightly different. About the difficulty: The first time I did this sort of connection I needed around 6 attempts (and 2 hours) until I was satisfied with the result. You are not alone Wink.
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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 9:55am
 
Dan wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
ninja-slinger wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:25pm:
What makes a sling Balearic?  Those look like normal braided slings to me.



Balearic slings are named for the sling used in the Balearic Islands. The difference between a normal braided sling and a Balearic style sling is that a Balearic style sling splices in extra cords as you get close to the pouch then tapers out in the release cord.

This makes the pouch wider and heavier for better ammuniton retention and feel.



I've always just layed the fibers overtop of each other.  Smiley

Oh.  I've made those with cotton string.
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Re: Braiding a "Balearic" sling: Focus on "The Bel
Reply #8 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 11:52am
 
ninja-slinger wrote on Jan 28th, 2013 at 9:55am:
Dan wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 9:02pm:
ninja-slinger wrote on Jan 27th, 2013 at 6:25pm:
What makes a sling Balearic?  Those look like normal braided slings to me.



Balearic slings are named for the sling used in the Balearic Islands. The difference between a normal braided sling and a Balearic style sling is that a Balearic style sling splices in extra cords as you get close to the pouch then tapers out in the release cord.

This makes the pouch wider and heavier for better ammuniton retention and feel.



I've always just layed the fibers overtop of each other.  Smiley

Oh.  I've made those with cotton string.



Yeah, that'd be a Balearic 'style' sling. Offical Balearic slings use sisal or pita. They all work well IME though.
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Reply #9 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 12:38pm
 
Except for some grass slings I use simple hemp or other cordage.  Anyway I have come to dislike the above each other #1 strongly and prefer the interbraided #2.  It looks way better and there is not any long strands going around and being exposed to excessive wear.
I spendt a loooong time with thinking and braiding before I found a way to get it like I wanted it.
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Re: Braiding a "Balearic" sling: Focus on "The Bel
Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 8:20pm
 
I'm fond of the second style, even though either method can be equally tricky when you're working with slippery materials such as nylon mason's twine. With method #1, it can be harder to maintain a consistent braid when each side of the pouch wants to slip some slack into the current part of the braid. With method #2, it can be funky integrating the two sides together not only symmetrically, but without possible wear-and-tear hot spots sticking out further than they should as well. But if done right, I feel it makes a better sling. (Key word being "I feel", since I have no real evidence to back it up, haha.)
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Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2013 at 2:39pm
 
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Ich beginne das Auge mit 9 Fäden
Denn Haltelauf dann mit 18 Fäden
Denn Brief teilt man dann wieder auf 9 fäden
Man arbeitet aber nur 5 Schläge pro Seite
Dadurch entsteht ein schlankes Knie
Jetzt nimmt man Fäden dazu

Auf jeder Seite des Briefes vier Fäden
Die Fäden sind so lang, das ich immer zwei Fäden damit flechte
Du hast also jetzt auf jeder Briefseite 17 Fäden.
Insgesamt 32 Faden.
Das Zusammenbringen zu einem Bauch ist wirklich nicht einfach.
Auf jeder Seite hat man einen Faden übrig.
Diese sollten beim zusammen bringen möglichst innen liegen.
Man überkreuzt diese Fäden und legt sie auf die jeweilige Seite gegenüber.
Dort werden jetzt aus Zwei Fäden Drei. Das ist sehr wichtig.
So bleibt der Bauch im übergang Flach.
Nun bringe alle restlichen Stränge so zusammen, das du wieder insgesamt mit 9
Strängen arbeitest.
Ganz einfach......... Eigentlich
Schwierig ist dabei nicht zu locker oder zu fest zu werden.
Dann legt man fäden nach innen, damit der bauch dünner wird.



Vielleicht kannst du es ja mal übersetzen. Mein Online Dolmetscher streikt bei so einem Text. Hihi
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Reply #13 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 7:08am
 
Jaegoor wrote on Jan 29th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
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Ich beginne das Auge mit 9 Fäden
Denn Haltelauf dann mit 18 Fäden
Denn Brief teilt man dann wieder auf 9 fäden
Man arbeitet aber nur 5 Schläge pro Seite
Dadurch entsteht ein schlankes Knie
Jetzt nimmt man Fäden dazu

Auf jeder Seite des Briefes vier Fäden
Die Fäden sind so lang, das ich immer zwei Fäden damit flechte
Du hast also jetzt auf jeder Briefseite 17 Fäden.
Insgesamt 32 Faden.
Das Zusammenbringen zu einem Bauch ist wirklich nicht einfach.
Auf jeder Seite hat man einen Faden übrig.
Diese sollten beim zusammen bringen möglichst innen liegen.
Man überkreuzt diese Fäden und legt sie auf die jeweilige Seite gegenüber.
Dort werden jetzt aus Zwei Fäden Drei. Das ist sehr wichtig.
So bleibt der Bauch im übergang Flach.
Nun bringe alle restlichen Stränge so zusammen, das du wieder insgesamt mit 9
Strängen arbeitest.
Ganz einfach......... Eigentlich
Schwierig ist dabei nicht zu locker oder zu fest zu werden.
Dann legt man fäden nach innen, damit der bauch dünner wird.



Vielleicht kannst du es ja mal übersetzen. Mein Online Dolmetscher streikt bei so einem Text. Hihi



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Besten Dank Jaegoor! Jedoch muss ich zugeben, dass ich es nach dem dritten lesen immer noch nicht verstanden habe. Ich werde das mal an einem kleinen Modell durchspielen müssen.

Ich versuche trotzdem eine Übersetzung...

Translation of my text:
Thank you very much Jaegoor. I have to admit, that after reading it three times I did not get it yet. I have to play it through with a small modell.
Nevertheless I will try a translation of your text....

Jaegoors Post:
(Words in brackets are annotations from myself. If something is marked with "..." I'm not sure if the translation is correct.)

I start the eye (finger loop) with 9 threads
The retention cord then with 18 threads
The pouch you split to 9 threads each
But you only work 5 "strands" per side
This way a slender knee is formed.
Now you add threads

On each side of the pouch four threads
The threads are so long, that I always braid two threads with them
Now you have on each side of the pouch 17 threads.
In total 32 threads.
The bringing together to form a belly is not easy.
On each side of the pouch you have one thread left over.
When you bring it together, they should lie, if possible, on the inner side.
You cross this threads and lays them on the corresponding oppsite side.
"There out of two threads three are formed." This is very important.
So the belly stays flat in the transition.
Now you bring all the other strands together, so that you work again with 9 strands.
Really simple..... In a sense
Then you put threads on the inner side so that the belly gets thinner.

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Re: Braiding a "Balearic" sling: Focus on "The Bel
Reply #14 - Feb 11th, 2013 at 1:19am
 
Jagoor and Teg, your slings are literally beautiful. I made one based off of that.. how do you get the braid that tight?
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