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Jan 16th, 2013 at 11:30am
 
So, I'll utilize this new section. What do yall think the best distances would be for a slinging competition?

IMO, I wouldn't go out too far as some people don't have the room to practice at greater distances so we should keep it sub 50 yards (or 46 meters for you conformers  Wink )
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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 1:40pm
 
I would be inclined to use effective bow hunting ranges for most shots; 20 yards or less.
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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2013 at 2:07pm
 
Dan wrote on Jan 16th, 2013 at 11:30am:
So, I'll utilize this new section. What do yall think the best distances would be for a slinging competition?

IMO, I wouldn't go out too far as some people don't have the room to practice at greater distances so we should keep it sub 50 yards (or 46 meters for you conformers  Wink )


Stay posted for the upcoming standards (see the new sticky topic "ranking and merit award system upcoming" for details).
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Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 7:39am
 
20 - 30 yards maximum.

For small scale targets (ie: smaller than an elephant/mammoth) that's  a pretty decent distance.
And one where the power versus accuracy escalation starts to really kick in.  
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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 8:17am
 
Curious Aardvark wrote on Jan 17th, 2013 at 7:39am:
20 - 30 yards maximum.

For small scale targets (ie: smaller than an elephant/mammoth) that's  a pretty decent distance.
And one where the power versus accuracy escalation starts to really kick in.  


Ain't that the truth?  I have a feeling I'm going to give out very few awards for accuracy level 4.  I won't ever see it anyway, I'm pretty sure!
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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 8:46am
 
I was just stating 50 yards as a definite Baseline.

I'd prefer 10-20 yards now. Maybe 25 in a few years.  Smiley
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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 9:58am
 

         # of Shots             Distance           White Zone         Black Zone          Score Needed
Level 1:       20                   15 Meters              1                     2                  1-19
Level 2:       20                   20 Meters              2                     4                  20-29
Level 3:       20                   25 Meters             2.5                   5                 30-39
Level 4:       20                   30 Meters              3                     6                  40+      
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Why do you get more points for hits at longer range?  Clearly because they are harder to achieve.  OK... So essentially a hit at 30 meters is three times as hard/valuable as a hit at 15 meters.  Sounds about right.  Well done.

Question - if the above is a fairly adjusted grading system, why not allow any range or combination of ranges to qualify for each rank.  In other words, if you can land 20/20 shots on black at 15 meters, that should be a score of 40, and count the same as 10 blacks at 20.

Right?  In simple terms we should dis-attach the scores required from the ranges - 1-19 is always level 1, 40+ is always level 4 plus, etc...
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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 2:03pm
 
Brett wrote on Jan 17th, 2013 at 9:58am:
         # of Shots             Distance           White Zone         Black Zone          Score Needed
Level 1:       20                   15 Meters              1                     2                  1-19
Level 2:       20                   20 Meters              2                     4                  20-29
Level 3:       20                   25 Meters             2.5                   5                 30-39
Level 4:       20                   30 Meters              3                     6                  40+      
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Why do you get more points for hits at longer range?  Clearly because they are harder to achieve.  OK... So essentially a hit at 30 meters is three times as hard/valuable as a hit at 15 meters.  Sounds about right.  Well done.

Question - if the above is a fairly adjusted grading system, why not allow any range or combination of ranges to qualify for each rank.  In other words, if you can land 20/20 shots on black at 15 meters, that should be a score of 40, and count the same as 10 blacks at 20.

Right?  In simple terms we should dis-attach the scores required from the ranges - 1-19 is always level 1, 40+ is always level 4 plus, etc...


Good point. If we are using a points system - then points is points.
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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 2:58pm
 
Would it be easier if we just used two distances?

Say 20 for levels 1 and 2

and 25 for levels 3 and 4

I've done a ton of target throwing at 15 yards and some at 20 and I know my hit count is way lower than it is closer ranges when I back up to twenty. That and not every might have access to 38 yards of land to see if they qualify for master.

Or just have the points count as the same for this distances. And your level is dertermined by how well you keep that score at a greater distance....

Tough decisions, I see why this hasn't really taken off before.  Smiley
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Reply #9 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 4:36pm
 
Brett wrote on Jan 17th, 2013 at 9:58am:
         # of Shots             Distance           White Zone         Black Zone          Score Needed
Level 1:       20                   15 Meters              1                     2                  1-19
Level 2:       20                   20 Meters              2                     4                  20-29
Level 3:       20                   25 Meters             2.5                   5                 30-39
Level 4:       20                   30 Meters              3                     6                  40+      
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Why do you get more points for hits at longer range?  Clearly because they are harder to achieve.  OK... So essentially a hit at 30 meters is three times as hard/valuable as a hit at 15 meters.  Sounds about right.  Well done.

Question - if the above is a fairly adjusted grading system, why not allow any range or combination of ranges to qualify for each rank.  In other words, if you can land 20/20 shots on black at 15 meters, that should be a score of 40, and count the same as 10 blacks at 20.

Right?  In simple terms we should dis-attach the scores required from the ranges - 1-19 is always level 1, 40+ is always level 4 plus, etc...


Well, the problem is that I'm not entirely certain what the formula is for increased distance and difficulty.  I was "eyeballing" it.  I have a feeling that its not just twice as difficult at 30 meters than at 15.  It maybe much more difficult..  Course that only justifies the "points are points" concept..  I'll have to noodle that one a bit.
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Reply #10 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm
 
I like this system....
But one problem.
some of us are not allowed to post vids of themselves....
Could i just set the camera so it records... the target?
and/or just set it up so it does not get me into the video?
Despite the new camera.....
I cannot post videos.....
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Reply #11 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 5:26pm
 
squirrelslinger wrote on Jan 17th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
I like this system....
But one problem.
some of us are not allowed to post vids of themselves....
Could i just set the camera so it records... the target?
and/or just set it up so it does not get me into the video?
Despite the new camera.....
I cannot post videos.....


Any or all of the above are okay.  This whole system is based on the honor system ultimately so, worst case scenario = you tell me you did something and I assume you are telling the truth.  It's that simple.
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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 6:09pm
 
I will definitly at least provide pics.
If i can, I will set up a wooden target so you all can see the impacts on the target as they hit.
Are we allowed to use shotgun slings?
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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2013 at 8:27pm
 
squirrelslinger wrote on Jan 17th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
I will definitly at least provide pics.
If i can, I will set up a wooden target so you all can see the impacts on the target as they hit.
Are we allowed to use shotgun slings?


Nope.  No shotgun slings! Lol.  Check out the "hand sling" definition in the requirements for accuracy.  Maybe I need to specify that only one projectile should be thrown at a time.  Good question Squirrel!  Thanks!
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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2013 at 5:45pm
 
I think you should...
I am already working on accuracy....
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