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Reply #15 - Jun 12th, 2012, 2:15pm
 
Bikonische projectiles are a man stopper.
 
They have this form because they can be better shot with a divided "letter".
Their effect is based on shock. They penetrate no armament. Balls penetrate armaments. Findings book this in kalkriese.
 
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Reply #16 - Jun 12th, 2012, 2:18pm
 
As far I tried round ball do not produce soung(brown clay ball) compared to clay biconical glandes(with fairly rough surface)
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Reply #17 - Jun 12th, 2012, 5:09pm
 
I agree with Jlasud, pleasure balls seem not to be the best for distance slinging indeed, but for sure they give much better (whatever that means) penetration instead, and require rather more accuracy than power Wink Anyway I think I can see what Jaegoor means.
 
Back to the topic, Jlasud, I am glad to hear about your new good experience with lead projectiles and about the great result. It doesn't surprise me Smiley I used to sling them some years ago and if I remember correctly they went rather noiseless from my position, of course, only when were released cleanly. Probably it is a matter of surroundings or my maybe ears. For example, I remember that the most of stones we slung together from the cliff were noiseless, despite of a few incorrectly released "buzzy" ones. Anyway I can imagine that glandes can be audible when slung over a quiet lake.
 
When it comes to the strange splashes, I also think that they were caused by a shoal of small fishes. I have observed similar thing, but splashes weren't so numerous like in your case - just a one, two or so.
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Reply #18 - Jun 13th, 2012, 2:05am
 
True,the surroundings greatly affects how they can be heard\not heard.
About the splashes,i though a bit more and C_A's explanation that spinning glandes would spray water droplets outwards in a circle,although it's physically it's very plausible,the only big problem would be that those wouldn't be visible at that distance. So i'll put my bet on a shoal of fishes nearly having a heart attack,swimming near the surface just chillin' out ,when suddenly one of them shouts: INCOMIIIING!!! then the impact and they instantly twitch,and sail away as quickly as they can. Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Jun 13th, 2012, 2:21am
 
Quote from Jaegoor on Jun 12th, 2012, 2:15pm:
Bikonische projectiles are a man stopper.

They have this form because they can be better shot with a divided "letter".
Their effect is based on shock. They penetrate no armament. Balls penetrate armaments. Findings book this in kalkriese.


I agree,the biconicals can be a man stopper.
I also agree that they stay better in the split (divided) pouch "letter".
I somewhat agree that their effect is based on shock,although they're main damage would be the penetration of the body.
That they penetrate no armament,pretty much agreed.Plate,mail,leather armour,shields helmets,would all stop,ricochet a "light" lead glande.  
But with "Balls penetrate armament" i highly disagree. they have less penetration against anything,than biconical ones,and don't fly as far.
Historical lead balls as sling ammo are almost none existant,Thearos probably could say more about them,but i've searched a lot about historical glandes and never saw one single piece.
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Reply #20 - Jun 13th, 2012, 3:42am
 
Often one used stones. This was brought in ball form. One finds the results.
Skull with perfectly round holes. This accomplishes no Glandes. The Glandes are found more frequent is explicable.
Balls were used up very much straight. The meeting is more difficult.
Glandes were shot as a Schroot. This raises the effect in the neighborhood. Thus one can recognise like the Sling tactically was used.
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Reply #21 - Jun 13th, 2012, 6:17am
 
I agree, and I suppose that while a sphere leave a round hole in a skull, a biconical would leave a more jagged fracture.
Plus that would explain why we've found both rounded and biconical bullets in the same context (South-Italian excavation, Neolithic).
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Reply #22 - Jun 13th, 2012, 8:28am
 
To give a good reference on the round ammo penetrating armor, a radio host was challenged to stand in full plate on a driving range. Not one golf ball penetrated the armor but it gave the guy contusions from the massive denting of the chest plate.
 
 
Quote from jlasud on Jun 13th, 2012, 2:21am:
Quote from Jaegoor on Jun 12th, 2012, 2:15pm:
Bikonische projectiles are a man stopper.

They have this form because they can be better shot with a divided "letter".
Their effect is based on shock. They penetrate no armament. Balls penetrate armaments. Findings book this in kalkriese.


I agree,the biconicals can be a man stopper.

I also agree that they stay better in the split (divided) pouch "letter
I somewhat agree that their effect is based on shock,although they're main damage would be the : penetration of the body.
That they penetrate no armament,pretty much agreed.Plate,mail,leather armour,shields helmets,would all stop,ricochet a "light" lead glande.
But with "Balls penetrate armament" i highly disagree. they have less penetration against anything,than biconical ones,and don't fly as far.
Historical lead balls as sling ammo are almost none existant,Thearos probably could say more about them,but i've searched a lot about historical glandes and never saw one single piece.

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Reply #23 - Jun 13th, 2012, 9:03am
 
Mauro them can be also proved here in the north by Germany. And not only from the Stone Age.
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Reply #24 - Jun 13th, 2012, 1:40pm
 
I bet it, when a shape is good it remain good through the ages  Cheesy
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Reply #25 - Jun 15th, 2012, 11:05am
 
Of course round shot can cause damage..i just wrote,that biconicals will have better penetration. And i agree that a heavy round stone will cause more damage to an armoured opponent ,than a light,biconical lead gland will.But this has to do with the mass of the projectile. Given the same weight,a biconical slung rifled,will make a bigger dent on plate as a round one.
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Reply #26 - Jun 15th, 2012, 8:16pm
 
Yes exactly. This was my statement. However, a biconisches projectile will not hit by the armament. A ball with the same weight hits by the armament.
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Reply #27 - Jun 23rd, 2012, 7:49pm
 
Congratulations Jlasud on a very long throws!
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