don't take it as an offence: quit fear

   Carry a knife with a blade of at least 4 inches. Break the closest knee (it's very easy to do becuase it's where the two longest bones in the body connect). I'd suggest using a low front or side kick. If they haven't slowed down, then you should have at least dropped their height zone and be able to get wround them. Take your knife, stab it in the back of his neck and cut across to get the top of the spinal cord, this will drop them instantly.

Again, this is worse case scenerio, but that's what I'd do if I had to. I almost always carry my CS Spartan.

There's other ways with a knife like if you have a blade with a minumum of a 7 inch blade you can stab them in the heart and that will drop them quickly. Neck snaps are possible, but the sucess rate isn't as high as you'd think and you are more likely to dislocate the jaw or strain a neck muscle than kill them.

And being that they aren't enitrely zombies, I'm sure if you just cut the throat or, stabbed both kidneys or punctured a lung, or broke both knees, or maybe do all of those all at once, you can slow them down enough for you to stay out of reach while you call the police.

Police officers have confronted exactly this situation in the form of people on PCP.  They are often completely uninhibited, feel no pain, and can endure quite a lot of damage without noticeable effect.

Prior to the invention of the Taser (which handles them pretty well) many of these people were shot because nothing else worked...
Two unarmed tactics that are likely to be effective include the above mentioned knee-dislocate.  They may not "stop", but they can't catch you....
The other is the strangle.  Since "strangling" someone sounds bad, we refer to this technique as the "vascular neck clamp".    Euphemistic double-speak, any judo player would recognize the standard strangle applied from the rear.
Very effective; even on PCP the brain needs blood and oxygen... Deprive same and it's lights out.
Of course, then the civilian needs to get out of Dodge as the fellow cannot be maintained in that way, and likely you don't have handcuffs!

well any blade over 3 inches is illegal to carry in england. So a big knife like dan's is out.

I like the throat as a soft target. jam an elbow in there hard enough and even a zombie ought to be discomfitted. Also crushing the windpipe is a much quicker and nastier way of depriving their brain of oxygen. 

It also tends to be easier to hit than the knee of  a running person. Plus yoy get their momentum added to whatever force you've used.

Failing that - rip their arm off, and beat them to death with the soggy end

Dan wrote on Jun 11^th, 2012 at 2:02pm:



Oh, Daniel-chan. You're what, 15-17 years old and weigh a buck sixty?
1) No, not really. Practice does not make it so.
2) Maybe if the person is motionless and surprised by your sneak attack but if you're in the middle of fending off an attack by a drug-crazed loonie bent on eating your face? I just don't see it happening.
3) Or if you could make a rudamentary lathe.
4) Ditto #2
5) Hey, I'm not going to judge. Just make sure you have tissues too.  
6) or Dan.

If you're attacked by surprise chances are you're going to get hurt. If you attack someone by surprise chances are you're going to be successful. Why do you think crimminals and convicts use the element of surprise? Attacks and fights don't usually last very long so your opportunity to hurt someone is short. Your training and/or what you're carrying in you pocket may not matter much if you're surpised. You can get punked before you ever have a chance to react. There's always a bigger badass or worse yet a bigger coward who's waiting for his chance.

There are no zombies. If you're attacked by another person whether armed or not, on drugs or sober and you go beyond your own defense like making a crippling cut THEN making a killing blow you've just murdered someone and you're going to go to jail. How much time you'll serve depends on a lot of factors, many you won't not have direct control over.

I keep telling people, look at case law on self defense especially against what so many self-proclaimed self defense "experts" tell you. On the street. You can't disarm a person and use their weapon against them unless you plan on leaving the scene. You take a knife to a fist fight or a gun to a knife fight you're going to serve time. Unless you are in your own home. Only cops get to shoot people who are only armed with a screw driver or a can of cola they thought was a gun and get away with it.

(Takes a deep breath and attempts to supress any kind of pride)
To Pik:

Regarding 6, thanks I'd defintiely do what I could as far as fighting, if that means being an appetizer, so be it.  

The lotion bottles thing was sarcasim, I thought it was pretty funny, I guess I worded it incorrectly  

I'm about 5' 8" and I only weigh about 145. Not sure how that's relevent though.

If this thread was for normal street defence I would have given much different answers (see the Martial arts thread in OT, when in doubt 'stomp the groin'), as the title however indicates, it is for zombies or near such. So I answered accordingly.

 It's very easy to get around behind someone. In sparring and especially real fights with commited attackers, after the first haymaker is thrown, all you have to do is 'bob' once and you are baiscally behind them.

According to the internet which is not always reliable but can be used to carry on well known facts, the knee is relatively easy to break (or at least damage) from the side as bones go.

Being almost 16 and weighing 145, I would think a judge with common sence (not a gurantee) might think moderately acceptable to use a weapon against a pcp junkie. Espicially when a much larger police officer had just had to use a gun.

Allright, I just timed myself.   From my hands up, I can take my knife out and have a good grip in about a second. With my thumb in my pocket like it normally is, I can access my knife in a little over a quater second. In every case I've read where a knife is pulled in self defence the attacker runs away at full speed.

I'm pretty smooth with words when I need to be and I've deescaleted a few minor fights before, I'm pretty sure I could do it again and that would definitely be ideal. Doens't generally work with zombies from what I've heard though (ask the faceless homeless guy from florida). kind of a 'Hope for the the best, Prepare for the worst' philosphy.

A good knife, and a good old fashioned prison shanking...............repeat till zombie is still.
also a fan of blunt object striking..........again, repeat as needed